This is the text of Rep. Tom McClintock, R-California, 4th District speech in the House.
M. Speaker:
I rise to take strong exception to the speech of the President of Mexico while in this chamber today.
The Mexican government has made it very clear for many years that it holds American sovereignty in contempt and President Calderons behavior as a guest of the Congress confirms and underscores this attitude.
It is highly inappropriate for the President of Mexico to lecture Americans on American immigration policy, just as it would be for Americans to lecture Mexico on its laws.
It is obvious that President Calderon does not understand the nature of America or the purpose of our immigration law.
Unlike Mexicos immigration law — which is brutally exclusionary — the purpose of Americas law is not to keep people out. It is to assure that as people come to the United States, they do so with the intention of becoming Americans and of raising their children as Americans.
Unlike Mexico, our nation embraces immigration and what makes that possible is assimilation.
A century ago President Teddy Roosevelt put it this way. He said:
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
That is how we have built one great nation from the people of all the nations of the world.
The largest group of immigrants now comes from Mexico. A recent RAND discovered that during most of the 20th Century, while our immigration laws were actually enforced, assimilation worked and made possible the swift attainment of the American dream for millions of immigrants seeking to escape conditions in Mexico.
That is the broader meaning of our nations motto, e pluribus unum from many people, one people, the American people.
But there is now an element in our political structure that seeks to undermine that concept of E Pluribus Unum. It seeks to hyphenate Americans, to develop linguistic divisions, to assign rights and preferences based on race and ethnicity, and to elevate devotion to foreign ideologies and traditions, while at the same time denigrating American culture, American values and American founding principles.
In order to do so, they know that they have to stop the process of assimilation. In order to do that, they must undermine our immigration laws.
It is an outrage that a foreign head of state would appear in this chamber and actively seek to do so. And it is a disgrace that he would be cheered on from the left wing of the White House and by many Democrats in this Congress.
Arizona has not adopted a new immigration law. All it has done is to enforce existing law that President Obama refuses to enforce. It is hardly a radical policy to suggest that if an officer on a routine traffic stop encounters a driver with no drivers license, no passport, and who doesnt speak English, that maybe that individual might be here illegally.
And to those who say we must reform our immigration laws I reply that we dont need to reform them we need to enforce them. Just as every other government does. Just as Mexico does.
Above all, this is a debate of, by and for the American people. If President Calderon wishes to participate in that debate, I invite him to obey our immigration laws, apply for citizenship, do what 600,000 LEGAL immigrants to our nation are doing right now, learn our history and our customs, and become an American. And then he will have every right to participate in that debate.
Until then, I would politely invite him to have the courtesy while a guest of this Congress to abide by the fundamental rules of diplomacy between civilized nations not to meddle in each others domestic debates.
As one of his last acts of clemency, President Bush has commuted the sentences of Ramos and Campean. From FOX News:
On his last full day in office, President Bush commuted the sentences of two former Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005.
The imprisonment of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean had sparked outcry from critics who said the two were just doing their jobs. They had been sentenced to 11- and 12-year sentences, respectively.
Their prison sentences will now expire on March 20 of this year.
A commutation is good; a full pardon would have been even better. I suppose we need to take what we can get. I'm sure their families are thankful they'll be coming home soon.
The two former agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, had attracted considerable support among advocates of tougher border security, who argued that the agents were just doing their jobs.
“Nothing could be further from the truth,” the lead prosecutor in the case said in 2007, scoffing at the idea that the defendants were defending themselves. The agents said at trial that they had scuffled with the dealer, Osvaldo Aldrete Davila.
“These agents shot someone whom they knew to be unarmed and running away,” said the prosecutor, United States Attorney Johnny Sutton. “They destroyed evidence, covered up a crime scene and then filed false reports about what happened. It is shocking that there are people who believe it is O.K. for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away.”
I am a die hard Republican and Sutton is too, but what these officers did after the fact is incredible. President Bush knew this also.
posted by Brad Thousand at January 19, 2009 05:17 PM
Oklahoma now has the toughest immigration legislation in the land. Here are the provisions of a new law that just went into effect:
*Illegal aliens may NOT receive public assistance
*Anyone arrested for a felony or drinking and driving will have citizenship verified
*Illegal to transfer to transfer or harbor illegal aliens
*Public employers must register with a program to verify immigration status of all employees
I say, GOOD FOR OKLAHOMA! America has laws; let's obey them.
As you'll see from the video below, not everyone is happy...and of course, the last image we are left with is that of a poor child whose mother (a citizen) married an illegal alien. It's all about the children, of course...not the bad choices made by their parents.
Now let's hope the other 49 states will follow suit.
Southwestern Kansas, home of the "Beef Kingdom" slaughterhouse, which I visited in July, is believed to have a lot of illegals. Guymon, the largest town is Oklahoma's panhandle (I visited there too) has a large pork processing plant.
posted by John Ruberry at November 6, 2007 11:05 PM
I don't know if it was because enough citizens called Washington or if senators are coming to their senses, but the DREAM Act was blocked yesterday when cloture failed.
"A lot of senators concluded that from the last vote: Citizenship is not on the table anymore," said Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican, who led the opposition to the Dream Act and who said the failure earlier this year of President Bush's broad legalization bill has fundamentally moved the debate toward the right.
Dick Durbin is still whining about what he calls "bigotry and hatred," and said it took courage for the senators who voted yes along with him.
Courage is one of those words that's lost its meaning in today's society.
Apparently John McCain didn't vote, although he voted on a couple of other measures yesterday. I chalk that up to his not wanting to vote against his convictions (we all know where he stands on illegal aliens), but knew if he did, what's left of his campaign would look like Southern California right now.
Note to the Senate (especially Dick Durbin): Those of us who want our country's laws upheld and who want illegal aliens to go home (wherever that may be) are not bigots, racists and haters. Calling us that may make you think you look like the bigger person, but you're really just revealing your own prejudices. I don't care so much where an immigrant comes from, so long as he is here legally and wants to be a part of America. Handing out amnesty like Halloween candy is not going to solve the problem, but will encourage others to come and likewise break the law, expecting to be rewarded like those before them.
Fred Thompson had a radicalproposal the other day: no amnesty, enforce existing laws, end sanctuary city status, and increase border security. It's so crazy, it just might work!
I was reading the same Fred Thompson article the other day. I noticed one thing missing from his list of ideas to stop illegal immigration: employer sanctions/penalties.
We all know this is why we have so many illegals crossing our borders--jobs--and we all know how to nip it in the bud. I wonder if the subject just slipped his mind, or did he not mention it on purpose...
posted by THIRDWAVEDAVE at October 26, 2007 04:37 PM
According to an e-mail from Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid filed for cloture on the DREAM Act, which would mean it could go to vote on Wednesday:
Our Capitol Hill Team just contacted me and reported that Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-Nev.) has just filed for "cloture" on S. 2205 (the DREAM Act amnesty).
If Americans don't phone Tuesday until the switchboard shuts down, it looks like we're going to have a brand new amnesty for illegal aliens coming out of the Senate later this week.
PLEASE CALL YOUR TWO SENATORS AND PLEAD THAT THEY VOTE 'NO' ON THE S. 2205 CLOTURE ON WEDNESDAY.
I haven't seen this reported anywhere else, but if it's on the money, you need to contact your senators today!
The DREAM (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act) is a path to citizenship for illegal alien students and those who want to join the US Military. The idea behind it is that the children have no control over the fact that their parents dragged them here illegally, and that they should be given a break. It's true that they have no control over their parents' actions, but if they receive special treatment, it's simply a matter of time before the next group receives it, and so on. At that point, why not just throw the doors open and let anyone in who wants to come? It's what a lot of these people are fighting for anyway.
We were able to shut down the last amnesty bill, and we can do it again.
So you think there should be no path to citizenship? Even for kids or people who join the military? Really?
posted by Ro at October 23, 2007 08:03 PM
Ro, if the kids joined the military, they can gain citizenship AND a GI Bill.
Therefore, the DREAM Act is still not necessary.
I called and faxed both my Senators! Mikulski and Cardin - both embarrassments to Marylanders and the US Senate as a whole!
posted by Aaron Arnwine at October 24, 2007 05:47 AM
I completely disagree, there's nothing that proves the "next" group will just be granted a legal status. These are kids who are willing to help our country by either getting an education or joining the military. These are stories of kids who grew up in the states and are as American as their peers with the exception of having a US birth certificate. Many of these kids are well educated and strive for a better future, why not help those who deserve it the most.
posted by Cynthia at October 24, 2007 12:49 PM
Cynthia, from personal experience, I've been fighting a 500 bill from University of Maryland because even though I live and paid taxes in the state for two years, they said I needed a Maryland driver's license. So I couldn't afford the out of state bill of $5000 for the semester of four classes and dropped them all.
But because I did it on the second day of classes, they say I still owe them the OUT OF STATE surcharge for dropping late of 10% - $500.
Please explain why illegal aliens should get instate tuition when I cannot. Will the dream act pay for my fee?
NOT.
And it is not "noble" to come to this country and want to be educated. It's called stealing. They should be thankful for the 20 grand taxpayers spent to educate them through high school for free.
so aaron, you dropped the classes late and are now trying to weasel out of paying the fee?
if you lived in maryland and paid taxes why couldn't you get a driver's license? according to the maryland dmv you're supposed to get one within 60 days of arrival if you've moved to maryland from another state.
these children did nothing wrong. they were either brought to this country without being able to consent to the decision or were born in this country. why shouldn't they be eligible for the same benefits as citizens when they too were born here? and shouldn't the brave men and women who serve in our armed services be granted the same benefits despite their immigration status? i mean, they did sacrifice for their (OUR) country.
Cynthia: Your rhetorical question of who is more American? A person born here is. (However, the spate of anchor babies calls that into question and should urgently be redefined).
Speaking for myself only, a Denaina indian from Alaska- I am MORE American than a person not legal no matter their age or how assimilated they may be. See the logic? If I went to Mexico and made a case that I had assimilated well there, now give me a bunch of rights, (or else). Quite laughable.
It may seem to some a hardened view to some but I resent our prior generous spirit being "played" by bathos and unclear, sentimental blather.
The gall of this woman grows by leaps and bounds. If this volume of stories keeps up, I might have to give her her own category in my sidebar:
The recently deported illegal migrant and activist who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year, has asked the Mexico's president to appoint her "peace and justice" ambassador so she can return to the United States.
Elvira Arellano, 32, who sought refuge to avoid being separated from her U.S.-born, 8-year-old son, was arrested and sent back to Mexico on Aug. 19 after traveling to Los Angeles to attend a rally for the overhaul of U.S. immigration laws. Her son stayed in the United States.
"What I'm asking for is a diplomatic visa so that I can be an ambassador for peace and justice because I'm not a terrorist and the United States can't continue treating undocumented migrants as terrorists," Arellano told reporters after meeting with President Felipe Calderon at the presidential residence, Los Pinos.
No, but we can continue to treat you like the interlopers and lawbreakers you are. Oh, and it's illegal alien, not undocumented migrant.
I think that if she returns to the U.S. for any reason she should be arrested and put in prison, treated like the felon that she is!
When will these people get it that we do not want them here.
A Mexican Senate committee passed a measure Wednesday urging President Felipe Calderon to send a diplomatic note to the United States protesting the deportation of an illegal migrant who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year.
The committee also approved a scholarship to help her 8-year-old U.S.-born son, Saul, who is an American citizen and stayed in the United States. [Will they set up scholarships for other poverty-stricken children in their own country? --ed.]
More:
"We cannot remain quiet in view of this injustice and must ask for firm action from our authorities," Mexican Sen. Humberto Zazue said.
He accused the United States of violating international deportation accords by denying her access to the Mexican Consulate in Los Angeles.
Oh please. This woman violated our nation's sovereignty and its immigration laws, and after a decade, finally gets tossed out on her can -- and good riddance.
It doesn't surprise me that the Mexican Senate would make a big deal about this and blame the U.S. After all, it's much easier for them overall if their poor keep making the northern border run...it means the Mexican legislators don't have to deal with their atrocious economic concerns and their corrupt government and business practices.
I'd tell them to buy a clue, but the peso doesn't stretch very far these days.
Kirsten Powers, a Democrat who is a regular guest on Fox's "O'Reilly Factor" each Monday evening (in a segment with Michelle Malkin), responded to the Elvira Arelleno case last night by, as Bryan Preston explains, constantly repeating that coming to the United States is a "'human right' in the context that freedom of movement is a human right." (Video included at the previous Hot Air link.)
Let's get something straight, for Ms. Powers and the other leftists who are constantly bleating that everyone has a right to come on down to America and set up shop: The United States is a sovereign nation. That is, we have our own (elected) government that is supposed to monitor the borders that delineate our nation from the countries around it. Our citizens (and anyone who is legally permitted to live here) pay taxes to said local, state, and federal governments so that they will be afforded certain services, such as a military to protect us from foreign invasion, as well as police protection, road maintenance, yada yada yada. (We'll leave the superfluous programs that are near and dear to leftists' hearts aside for the moment.)
And as a sovereign nation, we therefore (through our elected leaders) have the right to decide who gets to come share in, and contribute to, our collective experience. You may not agree with some of the things that happened along the way of making the United States the greatest nation in the world, but come on, get over it already! What's done is done. There has been the sort of thing lefties cry about ("stealing" the land of others, slavery, war, etc.) for as long as mankind could first pick up a rock or create a spear and throw it at someone else. Just about all of the modern countries in Europe, the leftist's utopia, were built on war, conquest, and even genocide. So stop pointing fingers at the U.S. as though we invented these concepts...we're simply the last one to arrive at the party, and so the less favorable events that happened here are fresher in history than, say, the War of the Roses.
If Powers believes that going to and fro with no restrictions is a "human right," I wonder what she would say to a squatter who decided that her home was a nice place to move in to, or a burglar who decided that her nice big television would look nice in his living room. What better way to demonstrate her devotion to the cause? And why stop there? If there is to be no law as to maintaining our borders and managing the immigrant flow, why not go the next step? Why not suspend all law and give the anarchists the gift they've always wanted? Get rid of our government, get rid of all public civil institutions, and let each and every individual get on with life as he sees fit to live it, protecting his "rights" and to hell with everyone else. Sound extreme? It's meant to. Because by disregarding one set of laws, we open the door to disregarding the next set, and the next, and the next...
Bryan Preston comments that by Powers' logic, "the entire world ought to be made U.S. citizens by fiat." But isn't that the idea? Isn't it the ulitmate wet dream for leftists to have one, and only one, government ruling the entire world? The U.N. in charge of all? Just like in Star Trek, where all Earthlings live peacefully under one government and there are no pesky borders to muck up the "free right" to go wherever. Good luck with that.
But it's exactly what the left wants. And dismantling our borders and immigration policies is just the first step.
If you shudder at the above scenario, then get in touch with your congressional representatives and make your concerns about immigration and border security known. To use the analogy of the song "It's My Party," "it's our country and we'll let in who we want to." Period.
Don't like it? Utilize that "human right" to move freely somewhere else. See how another country likes it when you decide to invite yourself into its sovereign territory.
I've heard plenty of moonbats screech that "housing is a human right." I suppose it follows that foreigners coming here to have their free housing provided by American taxpayers is a human right.
I have yet to hear a local Liberal in my area scream about it's a human right but make a special note right here and now, that when the time comes and one does say that to me, they are going to be very shocked by my response to them. I will out right say to them face to face, just who the heck said that you are human to begin with. LOL :)
Thats always my point too, if you are an American and you hate this country and the fact that we have laws and all Illegal Aliens are law breakers b/c why????? They are here illegally, feel free to get out. Move somewhere else. Preferably somewhere they have socialized medicine so that get a REAL dose of what the HELL Hillary wants...
I'd like my "human right" to have all my debts forgiven, all my bills paid in full by someone else, and my every desire provided to me cost-free.
Heyyy, wait a moment, I could just join the Democrat party and get precisely that! Now I see why so many folks vote Dem! It's Christmas every day when you're a Democrat!
(Oh wait, I forgot, we can't say Christmas any more.)
It's holiday gift-exchange day every day when you're a Democrat!
I watched Powers on O'Reilly and couldn't believe she was actually serious. I tried to watch Geraldo on Hannity and Colmes last night, but he infuriates me to no end. Not only is his contempt for our laws ridiculous, but his rude behavior just makes me want to tape his mouth shit. No one is allowed to share their opinion when he is around and illegals are the topic. He just screams his opposition over the other person trying to respond - when he had two full minutes uninterrupted. Just irritates me so bad, I turn the channel.
Via Hot Air, I discovered that Elvira Arellano, the illegal Mexican immigrant who sought "sanctuary" in a Chicago church for a year, has been deported to Mexico:
An immigration activist who took refuge in a Chicago church for a year to avoid being separated from her son has been deported to Mexico, the church's pastor said.
Elvira Arellano was arrested Sunday afternoon outside Our Lady Queen of Angels church in Los Angeles. She was deported several hours later, said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist Church in Chicago, where Arellano had taken refuge.
"She has been deported. She is free and in Tijuana," said Coleman, who said he spoke to her on the phone. "She is in good spirits. She is ready to continue the struggle against the separation of families from the other side of the border."
More:
Arellano, 32, became a symbol of the struggles of illegal immigrant parents when she took refuge in the church to avoid being separated from her 8-year-old son Saul, who was born in the U.S. and is thus a citizen.
You know, there's no reason why little Saul couldn't go back to Mexico with Mommy. This whole notion that anchor babies must stay here while their parents are sent back home is ludicrous. Remember, it's the parents who put the children in this situation -- not our government. And it's why children born to those who do not reside legally within our borders should NOT be granted citizenship. It's a law that was designed to right some of the wrongs against former slaves, who weren't really considered citizens even when they were freed, and it's now being abused beyond belief.
Notice she was arrested in Los Angeles, not Chicago? She wasn't holed up in that church 24/7, as Hot Air's AllahPundit points out:
She left the building a few days ago for the coast, ostensibly to attend an immigration rally there (which she ended up not attending), and the feds evidently just … let her go, without interfering. As it turns out, she’d already lined up a new church to give her sanctuary in L.A. (“sanctuary” being an archaic common law concept that doesn’t exist under American law and would be grossly unconstitutional if it did, of course). I wonder if the feds got caught flat-footed on her new plans and swooped in when they did to avoid having to arrest her inside the church.
It's so nice to know the government only enforces the law when under scrutiny -- I mean, takes our laws seriously.
This year a smaller percentage of Mexican immigrants in the United States sent money back to their homeland than in 2006, according to a report released yesterday by the Inter-American Development Bank. The bank said the reduction had left at least two million people in Mexico without the same financial help they had once received.
Bank officials, pointing to a survey of Mexican immigrants in the report, said the decline reflected a rising sense of insecurity and uncertainty about whether they would stay in the United States. Anticipating a possible move back to Mexico, these immigrants appear to be saving more.
“They have decided because of the uncertainty of the future that they need to step back and save a bit,” said Donald F. Terry, general manager of the Multilateral Investment Fund at the bank.
Mr. Terry said the slowdown would affect about 500,000 Mexican homes. “For those families in Mexico, there is going to be economic and social dislocation,” he said.
Well, perhaps it would behoove members of the Mexican government to get off their sorry rear ends and do something about their economy. This is a country that is rich in natural resources, but also rich in corruption from the top down. I know their new president, Felipe Calderon, has his heart in the right place, but he has a tremendous job ahead of him.
It's pathetic that Mexicans have to rely on family members who sneak over our border in order to provide for loved ones back home. What's even more pathetic is we're expected to continue to be their benefactors. Maybe this decrease in the flow of funds will spur some people to more positive action.
Last week, an article I wrote about Anatolie Vartosu was posted to American Thinker. Anatolie is a Romanian who had an H-1B work visa initially approved, then denied upon request for renewal.
The Greenwich Time has also picked up the story. Time is running out for Anatolie; he has until August 9th to either get an extension or pack his bags and leave.
"Right now, I'm stuck, I cannot do anything until I get an answer for the H-1B visa," said Vartosu, who does not want to return to Romania because he sees better opportunities here. "Nobody wants to go back. Like soccer, I'm going to fight until the last second to see if I can do something."
And I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Immigration is so messed up! We have our government trying to reward people who cross our borders to live here illegally, while giving the shaft to hardworking would-be immigrants who follow the rules to the letter. (He and his employer have spent $15,000 in lawyer and application fees.) Frankly, it's cr@p. The cynic in me is saying that since Romanians aren't part of a huge potential voting bloc, then Anatolie's situation is a forgettable one to our legislators.
I'll keep you posted on the outcome of this outrageous case.
I am tempted to say "This is JUST incredible!" But sadly, it isn't anymore. I'm glad you're staying out in front of this and using whatever resources you have to make this travesty known.
I would say we should bombard some member of Congress who is a bigtime immigration supporter (like McCain) and who also has some "juice" on Anatolie's behalf. Intervention from someone who votes on FUNDING for INS might weigh in his favor.
Well that was painful - I just sent e-mails to both of our duly elected Senators in Connecticut:
"It would be greatly appreciated if you could assist with the extension of Anatolie Vartosu's H-1B work visa. I can vouch for his character and integrity and the fact that he faithfully followed the letter of the law and paid whatever financial fees were required.
"His loss will be felt at Jack Rabbit's gym - Anatolie has directly affected development and reputation of the gym, and his loss will affect their bottom line and performance.
"I find it upsetting that both senators from Connecticut were quite willing to vote yes recently for an immigration bill that would have allowed millions of "undocumented workers" to literally jump ahead of Anatolie who has willingly and enthusiastically paid his dues.
"Please see the article at the Greenwich Times.
I'm expecting an immediate response. Hold your breath now.
posted by husband-dude at July 31, 2007 07:13 PM
Immigration is so messed up! We have our government trying to reward people who cross our borders to live here illegally, while giving the shaft to hardworking would-be immigrants who follow the rules to the letter.
Right on, Pam. You're not being a cynic, you're viewing the situation correctly. Politicians make special allowances when they believe it will result in future votes for them, and that's precisely what's been driving amnesty for illegal Mexican immigrants: millions of potential votes.
Thanks for pushing this one and looking out for what's right.
So much for illegal immigration not hurting anyone. Christi over at Common Sense America has a post up about Terry Funderberk, whose small business of installing copper on new homes last year grossed him $176K. This year, business is way down. Can you guess why? Yep. Competition from construction firms that hire cheap illegal labor.
One day, Terry had enough and went "on strike," as it were. And he didn't receive too much sympathy from the law. There are plenty of photos too.
Absolutely unbelievable.
But then, those who claim "illegals do the jobs Americans won't do" have jobs that the unskilled laborers who sneak over the border can't do.
Andrea Shea-King plans to interview Terry on August 5. Details here.
This fellow is going to need help to defray the legal expenses. Anything your readers can shake loose from their pockets, wallets,or checkbook will help.
He is, after all, representing everyman. His win is a win for all of us.
Thanks for the mention, Pam. Radio show plugs always appreciated!
Here's a story that happened to my daughter yesterday at the Dodgingtown Market with her 26 hour old car. A "landscaping" truck driven by a hispanic man with 3 other men in the front seat of a 4x4 pickup backed into my daughters car. They sped away from the accident and was not caught. The insurance agent told us that if the police did not find the truck and driver the $500 deducible would come out of my pocket. A friend of mine once told me that illegals are told not to stop for accidents they are in or cause because if they do they will be sent home. I am sending an invoice for the deducible to Senetors Dodds office for reimbursment. Reason for the invoice is because of the gutless way this issue has been handled for the past 30 years!
Any idea what the color/model of the truck was? Did the back of the truck hit the car, or was it the front? Was any paint removed from the car that could still be on the front or rear of the truck.
In other words, we can keep our eyes open around town. We're Newtown also.
While all the sympathy seems to be for illegal aliens who flouted our laws and are now crying for their rights, what about those who follow the rules but are told to get out? I've written an article about that very subject that American Thinker has posted today.
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Who? Illegal aliens who commit other crimes. Hot Air has a public service announcement about it here.
Close off the borders and secure them. Deport illegals who commit other crimes while on our soil. Then we can deal with the others. Hello? Congress? Mr. President?
Not to be cynical, but if they have already gotten here once, how are we going to keep them out again? I say tag 'em just like an endangered species so we can always find 'em again.
Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio (of tent prison fame) has teamed up with ICE to form a special "illegal immigrant interdiction strike force" -- a team of 72 Maricopa County sheriff's deputies who have been cross-trained by ICE. They are using Arizona's anti-smuggling laws to arrest and convict both human smugglers and the "smugglees," giving them a 4-year prison sentence (in the tent jail) before deportation. Might be a good deterrent.
Phoenix police are also partering with ICE agents to co-investigate other crimes that may be committed by illegal immigrants.
And Houston police are still driving around with their hands tied due to the city's unofficial "sanctuary city" policies. Aarrrggh!
Two Dogs -- Great idea! We could tatoo numbers onto their arms...wait, have I heard of this before?
posted by Ro at July 19, 2007 12:20 PM
Deport who, many Americans like myself and my whole family have volunteerily left the U.S. and moved to other countries like Canada, Italy, English, Franch, India, etc. Many of us are very happy in the other countries, since they don't preach "Family First" they just live it!!
Enough with the propaganda the U.S. preaches, always pushing that we are the best country to be from. Why? I ask, we don't take care of our people, environment or even our military when they come back from the wars. We are major hypocrits!!!
Who are we to say to close the borders, when other countries keep it open for us.
Life is too short to be worried about immigrants, they are not taking our jobs, the jobs are just going over seas... Wake up, it's a Global Economy and the world revolves around the changes, therefore, we have to adapt and stop the complaining.....
Some people need to wake up! Illegals are destroying the United States. Period! They are not taking our jobs? The people that say that have their heads buried deep in the sand somewhere.
Lets see.. They are only taking jobs that americans won't do. Wrong! The fact is, americans can't afford to do those jobs for $5.00-$6.00 per hour that should pay $9.00-$12.00 per hour because we americans do not live in a single family residence with two or three other familys.
If the average american knew how many violent criminal ilegals were here right now the hair on the back of their necks should stand up.
Also the number of child rapes and murders commited by Ilegals is stagering. Not to mention the number of our good police officers shot dead on the side of the interstate by drug smuggling Ilegals. Violent crimes in all commited by Ilegals in the United States is just plain mind boggling!
It's just like the war on drugs our government started 20 years ago. Our country's drug problem is worse than it has ever been in our history and is also the root cause of probably 70% of all violent crimes in this country.
The only solution to the drug problem is either legalize it or impose the death sentence if caught smuggling drugs into this country. It's that simple really. Either of the two would work very well.
This video clip of Sen. Arlen Specter (RINO-PA) speaking about the "silent majority" who must obviously be in favor of the amnesty bill, which failed cloture earlier today. You people who faxed, e-mailed, and phoned your senators about your displeasure? A minority, obviously.
Allahpundit's headline says it all: The people at my gym told me they liked the bill, says Specter
I'm sorry I missed you at the gym the other day, Senator; I was probably at work.
What a repulsive elitist. And Congress wonders why its approval ratings are in the toilet? Wyatt, this man is YOUR senator!!!
I'm SO glad to see that everyone who called their Senators and Representatives have succeeded in squashing this heinous bill. It's nice to see the good guys win every once in a while.
Snark: Hannity Shows Voinovich Up in Amnesty Debate
(Scroll down for update...)
On today's radio show, Sean Hannity caused Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) to get hot under the collar. The man who made sure we all knew he's been in the business of legislating for "40 years!" wouldn't answer many of Hannity's questions directly, pretty much accused him of being a bully, and ended up hanging up in a huff. Hot Air helpfully provides the audio.
As Aaron said in an e-mail, it's embarrassing. The man didn't even seem to have a full handle on what he'll be voting on! And I know not everyone is a fan of Hannity's style, but if Voinovich couldn't handle himself without shouting accusations and evading questions, then what does that say about his debating points? Hannity was prepared with questions based on the bill's facts, and Voinovich essentially ran away. Not impressive behavior from an elder statesman.
Since Voinovich is the media's new darling, along with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), because of his recent calls for the US to start pulling out of Iraq, don't be surprised if he gets sympathetic treatment from the usual suspects during tomorrow's news cycle for having been "jumped on" by Hannity.
Forty years, eh? Maybe it's time for the good senator to think about hitting the golf course -- permanently.
The fate of U.S. immigration legislation was cast into doubt when at least six senators who helped revive the proposed overhaul said they either oppose or are leaning against a move to permit a vote on final passage.
The measure is in more jeopardy ``than I thought a few hours ago,'' said Senator Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat.
The supporters' strategy of disposing of amendments that threatened the legislation's bipartisan support hit a procedural snag late in the day, adding to the uncertainty. The Senate refused to set aside an amendment by Montana Democrats Max Baucus and Jon Tester that would dilute requirements employers verify the identity of new workers.
Under Senate rules, Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, now can't move to consider other provisions without getting the consent of all 100 senators.
``I think this hurts'' the measure, said Texas Republican John Cornyn, an opponent.
I'm surprised Dodd, who's busy running a pathetic presidential campaign, was even around long enough to have any idea! Sorry, had to get that dig in.
It's not looking good, and as Michelle says, "Republican leaders will have to answer for this." They're the ones who hopped on to this disgraceful bill, and we need to make sure they pay for it come election time.
Everyone who voted for cloture must be voted out of office, even if they vote against the actual bill — I mean especially if they vote against the actual bill, since that would show them to be all the more duplicitous and cowardly.
The states are becoming more and more frustrated with the federal government's inability or refusal to deal with the problem of illegal aliens, and according to this WaPo article, there are a number of them willing to do something about it. Among those states considering or enacting legislation:
*Oklahoma passed a law restricting illegals' access to all forms of official ID, barring them from receiving public assistance, and is handing out fines to employers who hire them. Nebraska and Idaho are considering similar legislation.
*Michigan lawmakers have considered taking away health and welfare benefits from illegals.
*In Arizona, a proposal is on the table that would allow police to ask people they arrest about their citizenship status, and if they cannot produce documentation, seize them and hold them until they can be deported.
*Virginia approved a proposal to strip charities and other organizations of state and local funding if the money is used to provide services to illegals.
*Maryland legislators defeated a proposal that would have allowed illegals to pay in-state college tuition, and they are currently considering putting a 5% surcharge on wire money transfers to Mexico.
Meanwhile, our federal government hasn't figured out that the majority of Americans are sick and tired of their gross mishandling of the illegal alien problem. They live in a bubble in Washington DC. I'm looking forward to the day when that bubble pops.
An Open Letter to George Bush, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, et al
My blogging friend Reverse Vampyr wrote an open letter to our Republican leaders who are backing the amnesty bill. Brilliant:
Stop with the ridiculous posturing and harumphing. ENFORCE THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE before you dare to ask us for 4.4 BILLION DOLLARS to fund new laws you know you'll never enforce.
It's disgusting enough that the Republican party has been asleep at the wheel when it comes to illegal immigration. But it turns my stomach to watch as you get in bed with the likes of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senator Ted Kennedy as you attempt to transmogrify 20 million lawbreakers into legal voters.
Read the whole thing here. He tells it like it is.
South of the Border Illegals Set Fires to Avoid Detection
Illegal aliens, including drug smugglers, are setting wildfires so that they can cross the border undetected while the fires are being dealt with.
At least five fires were set below a Border Patrol observation post during the operation in an effort to burn the agents out, according to a Forest Service report. The fires were extinguished, and no one was arrested.
Wildfires are being set by alien and drug smugglers, authorities said, to create a diversion in an attempt to gain undetected access across the border. The fires correspond to a dramatic rise in assaults against Border Patrol agents -- up more than 100 percent over last year.
Thanks to Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean being sentenced to federal prison for shooting a drug smuggler in the rear end, we now have a rise in assaults against agents, as well as destruction to nature and a corresponding waste in manpower and other resources to fight the fires. Nice.
But they're just a bunch of hardworking people who really, really want to be part and parcel of America, right?
Television Viewing Habits Shed Light on Immigration Debate
That's the name of this very interesting post by Aaron over at Lifelike Pundits. As we all know, Mexicans and other illegal aliens are dying to assimilate into American culture. Take a look at what they're watching to see just how much.
And can any of us say we are surprised by this? With signs in stores written in English and Spanis, with most voice-prompt systems providing a choice for English or Spanish, there is really no incentive for Hispanic immigrants to learn English, is there? They want to recreate their own societies within our own. And I have no problem with them holding onto to their traditions and heritage, but NOT at the expense of those of us born here or those who emigrated legally.
LOL, steve. It is a total shame that Latin Americans are not getting the educational benefit of "America's Got Talent".
posted by Ro at June 18, 2007 03:26 PM
I'd also like to point out that there are only 3 shows on the Latino list, and two of them are soap operas -- I'd like to see the actual list of 10. This actually points to the fact that most Latino men don't watch much television, especially during the day, as latino men have an extremely low unemployment rate in this country.
Right Wing News has the scoop on how Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) put a stick in the spokes of the "comprehensive immigration reform" bicycle wheel long enough to allow other opponents to draft some amendments to the bill, which contributed to the ultimate vote against cloture last night. Nice job, Jim.
this is one amusing aspect, as many have embraced a form of vitriol, where they say they are abandoning the GOP.
but here again, we have an example of a fine effort of a Republican fighting for debate and amendments to some better legislation.
in fact, prior to NOV. 2006, the GOP listened to the anger and killed comprehensive immigration reform, producing a Border Fence Bill only, signed by this President.
and they were not rewarded at the polls at all...
it seems to be a vivid contradiction.
so far, the Republican Party, listening to the Conservative base, has prevented the concerning aspects of immigration reform from being made into law, and they aren't thanked or appreciated for their effort.
it makes little sense.
i remain deeply thankful here, for the Republican Party, (considering nothing is perfect in any sense)...
Have the Republicans realized that if this bill passes, they will never have a majority in the House or the Senate, and will never again have a Republican president?
I'm not sure how to put this without being accused of some sort of racism, but a large majority of the illegal immigrants, once they become legal, will be voting for the democrats. So basically, the Republicans like Lindsay Graham and John McCain, if able to succeed in this legislation, would ensure democratic leadership for the foreseeable future.
posted by American Citizen at June 11, 2007 06:08 AM
The amnesty, er, I mean comprehensive immigration reform bill, didn't make the cloture vote again tonight, which means that it will be removed from the Senate floor. This means there is little chance that it will be revived this year.
The vote was 45-50 against limiting debate on the bill, 15 short of the 60 that the bill's supporters needed to prevail. Most Republicans voted to block Democrats' efforts to bring the bill to a final vote.
The legislation, which had been endorsed by President Bush, would tighten borders, institute a new system to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers in addition to giving up to 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.
As Larwyn said in an e-mail, "Americans won...La Raza lost."
Michelle Malkin has been covering this extensively over this past week; she has up-to-the-minute coverage here.
Harry Reid, who was among those trying to cram this down our throats and called illegal aliens "undocumented Americans" is now doing damage control, saying that removing the bill from the floor would let such important talk as regulating gas prices (price controls are never a good idea, BTW) and trying to give Alberto Gonzalez the boot. Let the finger pointing and political spin begin. As is expected, of course.
If Congress would work on enforcing the laws we have before spending time making new ones, perhaps they'd get more popular support. A FOX News poll said 58% of Americans want to see enforcement of existing laws first.
Why our elected representatives haven't figured that out yet is beyond me.
To those of you who contacted your senators and/or blogged about this to get the word out, pat yourselves on the back. We elect these people to represent us, not illegal aliens who shouldn't be here, much less demand the rights we enjoy. We need to remind Congress more often that they serve at our pleasure.
Yes, he said it, and he put it on his website. Hot Air also has the video in case Reid's people pull it.
According to one of the most powerful elected officials in our nation, these are not illegal aliens, they are "undocumented Americans." To borrow a phrase from the global warming crowd, "the debate is over" in the mind of Reid and his likeminded cronies.
"America" is a continent -- two, actually. So anyone coming from, oh, say, Mexico, is an American. Canadians? Also Americans. Brazilians? Um...you get the picture.
posted by Ro at June 6, 2007 04:42 PM
As of 8:05am EST today, June 7th, the video is no longer on Reid's site. I searched his entire site using the word "undocumented" and all I could find was "undocumented immigrant"...so it would appear spin-control is in full swing on Reid's site.
When's the last time you heard anyone from any of those countries call themselves Americans? Interesting, though, how when European snobs complain about uncouth Americans on holiday, everyone knows who they're talking about...and it's not the Brazilians or Mexicans.
People from those countries DO call themselves Americans. In fact, if you watch a US or European movie with Spanish subtitles, they'll generally translate "American" to "estadounidense", because it makes a lot more sense to people from Central and South America. To millions of people, the word "American" is a lot like the word "Asian", designating a large region, no a particular country. My point, I guess, is that maybe it's a bit over the top to get too bent out of shape over this comment.
posted by Ro at June 7, 2007 02:27 PM
I wouldn't say we are that "over-the-top", as this comment fits with the Leftist mindset, i.e., it is just the sort of thing we would expect him to say.
WSJ Journal Editorial from 1984 Called for Open Borders
Anyone wondering if the Wall Street Journal's stance on the current "comprehensive immigration reform" bill being debated in the Senate (they support it) is a new phenomenon from this traditionally conservative paper can wonder no more.
It's not.
BizzyBlog has reproduced a WSJ editorial from July 3, 1984 entitled "In Praise of Huddled Masses." In it, the WSJ editorial board welcomes the idea of open borders, and labels those who would control our borders as "nativist patriots." (I guess that's better than calling us "scaremongering bigots.") The editorial also likens a border wall to keep illegals out to the former Berlin Wall, which was designed to keep miserable people in. Not much of a comparison, when you think about it.
I encourage you to head on over and read it in its entirety. As much as I am for capitalism and free enterprise, I bristle at the idea of America's corporate power players deciding that their desire for cheap labor is more important than not only our national security, but our national sovereignty.
Nobody would give much of a damn about this bill (except the unions, who are rabid against the guest-worker program deflating wages of their members) if we didn't have such a bloated entitlement program for our citizenry.
Why is it so difficult to grasp the notion of a series of smaller bills that do one specific thing at a time, i.e., border security? Why the need to cram a thousand-page tome down our throats?
posted by John the Libertarian at June 3, 2007 02:25 PM
This is a wonderful bit from Laura Ingraham's show yesterday. She sums up what conservatives (those who supported George Bush) are feeling regarding his condeming us as bigots and non-patriots for opposing this "comprehensive" immigration bill. In a word, betrayed.
Sadly, even Linda Chavez, whom I respect and admire greatly, chalks up our reluctance to bigotry and racism.
But it's not just those xenophobe conservatives who are upset. Some libs are starting to figure out it's not all lemonade and gumdrops.
Let me repeat: opposing this bill is not racism. We had such an amnesty bill over 20 years ago under Ronald Reagan, and it didn't work. What makes the proponents of this one think it will succeed where the previous one didn't? Border control is a joke. Not only can poor, unskilled people desperate for work slip in, but those who wish to blow us to smithereens can as well. And legal immigrants who have applied for the proper documentation and consideration to be citizens must be wondering why they bothered to follow the rules when 12 million people stand to benefit from their lawbreaking ways.
And if these people are really doing the jobs Americans won't do, what will happen when they attain legal status, citizenship? Who will do the jobs then? As Americans they'll no longer have to hide, and employers will have to pay them more, if only to cover taxes, Social Security, etc. Will those same employers who have benefited from paying illegals peanuts suddenly be thrilled about paying them what those born and bred here expect to be paid?
Control the borders. Support the law as it stands now. Prosecute greedy employers who hire illegals under the table. Deport those with serious criminal records. Then we can begin to figure out what to do with the rest.
So are the "conspiracists" right about GHWB and GWB being "Globalists"? Is it all part of a "grand plan"? Is WND paranoid or visionary?
Sometimes I wonder if this perceived push towards combining the U.S., Canada, and Mexico are seen as an unavoidable necessity, in case "we" have to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world, as it "goes nuts", sliding into an unholy mix of Socialism and Islamism.
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Thank you for pointing out that it was papa Reagan who screwed the pooch on amnesty. Noonan stuck a knife in W's back recently on this issue, but failed to mention it was her boss that contributed to the deep distrust.
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It is past time to remember that paying our own poorer laborers more, doing some occasional physical work and obeying the laws - the immigration ones especially - are not icky or a bummer. Rather, this is the more ethical and, in the long run, cheaper approach.
Michael Gerson, writing for the Washington Post today, claims that conservatives who oppose the "comprehensive" immigration reform bill that is now before Congress are, for all intents and purposes, racists.
But the real passion in this debate is not political, it is cultural -- a fear that American identity is being diluted by Latino migration. Tancredo is the lowbrow expression of this fear. Professor Samuel Huntington of Harvard University, whom Tancredo calls an intellectual mentor, presents the highbrow version. Huntington argues that Mexican migration is a threat to American unity and to the "core" of our cultural identity. "America," he says, "was created as a Protestant society just as and for some of the same reasons Pakistan and Israel were created as Muslim and Jewish societies in the 20th century."
There definitely are some groups who are white supremacists, and therefore don't want immigration from groups who don't fit into that mold. Racists are everywhere, but they are not restricted to the Republican party. And the claim that a majority of Republicans feel this way is slanderous.
What Gerson and many amnesty proponents either genuinely fail to realize or deliberately fail to admit is that the outcry in this nation is not about where these immigrants come from, but that they have entered this country illegally. That the majority of them come from Mexico or other Spanish-speaking countries south of the border is simply a coincidence based on geography. Those of us who are angry about illegal aliens are just as angry at those who come from Mexico as those who come from Ireland or elsewhere. Playing the race card is a cheap propaganda tool that is used to shut down debate. After all, who wants to be branded as a racist?
Illegal aliens have not only shown disregard for our laws, but expect to be rewarded for doing so. This bill would do just that -- reward lawbreakers while others who have applied for citizenship the proper way must sit back and watch while linejumpers reap rewards that legal applicants have waited years and paid plenty of money for. As it is, illegal aliens are already receiving freebies that American citizens (and other legal residents) must pay for.
Aaron of Lifelike Pundits puts it quite succinctly:
These illegal immigrants or undocumented workers (or, better yet, trespassers) send their children to schools that my tax dollars pay for – and I have no children. I pay my taxes to the government to educate American citizens, not children of people who decided that they were above our laws.
Millions of people who wait years to do this legally do so because they recognize that it is a privilege to be an American.
Like a home, it is the prerogative of America to decide whom she will invite to come in and be a part of the family. If we would rather have more skilled than unskilled workers come here, what's wrong with that? Why should our Social Security and Medicare system (already overburdened) be strained to the breaking point with people who not only have put nothing into it thus far, but if made legal, would put little in before subscribing for benefits? And regardless of the skill level of those invited, the fact that some don't wait for an invitation but demand entry shows how much regard they have for our "nation of laws," as President Bush put it.
The threat of terrorism is yet another issue. If it's easy for Mexicans and others to slip across the border in search of work, it's just as easy for terrorists (Islamists, etc.) to cross the border. Indeed, three of the "Fort Dix Six" were in the country illegally. Who knows how many others have made their way in via the porous sections of our southern border? Why is that not a concern?
There is a problem, egged on by the multiculturalism movement, with some immigrant groups being less eager to embrace American culture and become one with it, preferring instead to create communities that are more like the country they came from. If they prefer the comforts of home, then why did they leave? The American dream is not just a piggy bank waiting to be raided. It's all-encompassing. To be proud of one's heritage is one thing. To completely re-create life the way it was before coming to our shores is quite another.
Yet this is a separate issue from the anger over the amnesty bill. Claiming that conservatives oppose it because they are racists obscures the real question: that of the law and the rights of the citizens who will bear the cost of this mass "pass Go, collect $200" scheme.
Our Congress and president are showing little regard for the citizens who voted for them and pay their salaries. This amnesty bill is a slap in our collective face, and shows us that for both parties, garnering a potential voting bloc is more important than safety and economic concerns. And it's not appreciated.
Out of curiosity Pam, would you support a constitutional amendment to deny citizenship to a person born in American territory if the mother is not here legally?
Pam, heres an excellent article written by Fjordman about immigration and the EU. This needs to be read and passed on.What is happening in Europe today is what we will face if we dont control our borders and dont stop getting sold out to the North American Union.
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Paul, I think you pose a good question. But it need not be a Constitutional amendment; simply creating a law disallowing illegal "anchor babies" could be sufficient.
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Ken Boehm, Chairman of the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC), today criticized the immigration bill crafted in secret by Senators led by Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Arlen Specter (R-PA).
Boehm said, "If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away on page 317 is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing."
John Carlisle, NLPC's Director of Policy, said, "Many taxpayers will be chagrined to learn they may soon have to provide a lawyer for illegal aliens who should not be here in the first place. Activist lawyers, illegal aliens and government money are a bad mix."
Chagrined is not strong enough word. Angry, offended, livid, ticked off, furious...those are a few words that come to mind. It's bad enough that we as taxpayers have been paying for illegal aliens' schooling, civic, and medical expenses. Now, if they're given an official pass by the government, we'll pay for crunchy granola lawyers to fight for rights they don't deserve in the first place. I might as well throw the money I earn down the toilet for all the good it's doing me personally.
Meanwhile, the Senate has voted 69-23 to move forward on the bill, although it's doubtful it will see any real action before June. Sen. Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy, the one of bloated blowhards we all have to thank for this monstrosity, had this to say:
"Our plan is a compromise. It involved give-and-take in the best traditions of the United States Senate. For each of us who crafted it, there are elements that we strongly support and elements we believe could be improved. No one believes this is a perfect bill. The world is watching to see how we respond to the current crisis. Let's not disappoint them."
Since when do we compromise with criminals? And it's more than just being an imperfect bill; it's a slap in the face to American citizens and other legal residents of this country. And I don't give a hoot about disappointing the rest of the world. When other countries begin consulting us on their immigration law, then maybe they can have a say in how we conduct our affairs. I'm sick and tired of self-serving politicians like Kennedy worrying more about what "the world" thinks than what Americans think.
But then, these potential citizens are just another voting bloc, whose votes are ripe for the picking. And that's really what it's all about.
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According to the Washington Times, only 17 senators officially approve of what amounts to an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. The bill is scheduled to hit the Senate floor today for discussion, and was written in secret by a dozen senators in cahoots with the Bush administration. Is this the way we want our government to be run?
N.Z. Bear has an anotated copy of the bill online for you to see for yourself.
Sen. Arlen Specter (RINO-PA) claims this bill is the best they could do.
"It will treat the 12 million undocumented immigrants in a constructive way. It is not amnesty. They'll have to pay a fine. They'll have to earn their way to citizenship," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "It's better than what we have now."
Not amnesty? Letting the pass go by paying $200 is not amnesty? And how exactly is the government going to enforce this fine? The same way they've been enforcing our immigration law over the last twenty years or so? Do they really expect illegals, who are flouting the current laws, to whip out their wallets and fork over thousands of dollars in order to start on the path to citizenship? If they were so inclined, they would have gone the legal route in the first place. This will not clean up our illegal alien problem, but will make it worse. The whole deal reeks.
Voters are not pleased, most notably the Republican base. A couple of Republicans were booed by their constituents over the weekend. Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina and Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia were both booed at their state Republican conventions because of the their support for the bill. Heh.
Don Surber doubts the bill will survive the week. I hope he's right. We call it illegal immigration for a reason: it's against the law.
The only portions of this bill that will be actually enforced will be the granting of legal status to illegal immigrants. All the other provisions will be either scuttled or ignored as "too difficult to enforce." And we're right back to amnesty.
Just wait till these millions of illegals become legal citizens and begin to claim Social Security for their retirement after NOT paying into the system for their entire lives. And we think we've got problems with Social Security now?
Exactly. But a population weaned on the government teat will be a population that continues to vote for the party with the biggest boobs. Sorry for the vulgar comparison, but that's pretty much what this all boils down to: votes. And sad to say, GWB is in league with the Dems on this one. I have a bumper sticker on my car that says "I Stand With President George W. Bush." Well, in this instance, I can say I don't.
It used to be that immigrants did what they could to assimilate into the society they wished to become a part of. Now, it's the society that's doing its best to assimilate in order to meet the needs of the immigrants in the name of multicultural sensitivity.
That's bad enough, but when it's illegal immigrants we bend over backwards for, that really gets in my craw.
"The Senate has been seriously considering literally begging illegal aliens to accept amnesty and doing so in at least five languages."
...
"Amnesty for 12 million law breakers is bad enough...Groveling before these illegal aliens begging them to accept amnesty in at least five languages is the sort of thing that drives Americans crazy about our immigration and language policies."
Michelle Malkin is on top of the latest amnesty bill information. Ace of Spades urges you to contact your senators and demand that the bill be read on the Senate floor (h/t Larwyn). Hot Air is on the case as well.
THIS IS UTTER AND COMPLETE GARBAGE! Why on God's green earth do we have immigration laws if those who flaunt said laws get rewarded by what amounts to amnesty? Every single country in the world has immigration laws. It's nothing new. Why are Americans expected to make exceptions? And what does this say to the many law-abiding immigrants who follow the rules to become citizens, waiting years and spending big bucks in the process? Are they worth less than the lawbreakers? If I were a legal immigrant vying for citizenship, I know I'd be really ticked off right now.
To quote the great one, Mark Levin: “Do these Republicans ever learn? . . . Do they understand that a majority of the American people, whether they’re Democrats, Republicans, or nothing, have had it up to here with illegal immigration and they don’t want to subsidize it?”
That these ads would be in five different languages is simply adding insult to injury.
Remember the mayor of Hazleton, PA, who was all over the illegal immigration problem last year? Well, Mayor Lou Barletta is all but guaranteed re-election this year. See why over at Right Wing Nation.
Illegal Immigration’s Slippery Slope: From Burglary to Bagels
This is an excellent article on illegal immigration by Gabriel Garnica over at FamilySecurityMatters.org. I especially like this bit:
If one allows the burglar to keep what he obtains through his burglary, one is rewarding that burglary, plain and simple. It should not matter that the burglar is hungry, unemployed, or poor. While those conditions are unfortunate, they do not justify the burglary. To believe otherwise is to invite chaos and insanity which, the last time I checked, is only the preferred environment of radical liberals.
Likewise, one cannot allow an illegal immigrant to mock this nation’s laws, enter unlawfully through its borders with the intent of having a child to establish a foothold and then claim lawful residence on that basis. One cannot confer upon illegal immigrants privileges and rewards equal to or, through the insanity of liberalism, greater than lawful residents. To do so is to make a mockery of lawful entry, legal residence, national sovereignty and all that is moral, just and sensible.
Another day, another illegally earned dollar. Well, not today. Illegals and their supporters are planning their second annual rally for today. Conveniently, the MSM calls these "immigration rallies," implying that those who wish to come to America legally are being discriminated against.
People who are not supposed to be here are demanding rights accorded only to citizens and other legal residents. (Here's a tidbit: one in two Mexicans has family working in the US. All that money they send home is holding up the Mexican economy, meaning that the Mexican government can sit back and not make any reforms.)
"If we don't act, then both the Democratic and Republican parties can go back to their comfort zones and do nothing," said Angelica Salas, director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles. "They won't have the courage to resolve a major situation for millions of people."
Here's how you resolve it: do the honorable thing and go back home, then apply for legal citizenship. *end hysterical laughter*
Meanwhile, deportations are on the rise, and the typical MSM reporter deals with it this way:
NEW BEDFORD, Mass. — The day after his wife was deported to their home country, Honduras, Lilo Mancía grieved as though she had died.
Neighbors arrived with doughnuts and juice for their two small children, while Mr. Mancía, an illegal immigrant like his wife, María Briselda Amaya, took telephone calls from relatives and tried not to break down.
“The first thing I thought of was the children,” Mr. Mancía, who is fighting his own deportation order, told the visitors gathered in his second floor walkup apartment in New Bedford a couple of weeks ago. “The future we imagined for them, it all collapsed.”
It's a tried and true method in journalism: if you want people to agree with your point of view, go for the tearjerker lead. Don't start off with facts; they may scare potential sympathizers off.
Illegals cost the government over $10 billion per year (as of 2004), a price tag which includes Medicaid, food assistance, federal prison and court systems (for example, Moonbattery has a listing of drunk driving deaths attributed to illegals) and school funding.
All that because "they do the jobs Americans won't do?" More like they do the jobs that some penny pinching American employers would rather pay peanuts for. But is it really worth it?
UPDATE: Michelle Malkin reminds us of the 600,000 illegal fugitives "unaccounted for." The government sure is doing a bang-up job, eh?
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As hundreds of people protested and others turned out in support, Morristown's council last night endorsed the mayor's effort to have the town's police deputized as federal immigration officers.
"We are looking for lawbreakers and that is it," said Councilman Dick Tighe. "We're trying to take criminals off the streets, we're trying to take criminals out of the country."
Mayor Donald Cresitello has asked the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement to train and deputize up to 10 police officers so they can charge suspects with immigration violations and order them to appear in federal court, which could ultimately lead to deportation.
The mayor's action did not require the council's consent, but the panel approved his move in a 6-1 vote.
Morristown's police stand to be among the nation's first municipal forces to gain such powers. Only 10 law enforcement agencies now participate in the federal program: Florida and Alabama state police, and eight correctional institutions. About 20 municipalities have applied, according to ICE.
Of course it's being called a "racist" and "non-tolerant" move by Hispanics. These terms usually pop up when a community does something to combat illegal immigrants. The idea is to take the focus away from what's really happening (people entering and living in the United States illegally) and create a phony human rights crisis. Meanwhile, communities like Morristown have to deal with rises in crime, as well as having to provide services like healthcare and education to non-citizens, which can be crippling to their economies.
I hope you noticed that the writer of this article was sure to mention how there were "hundreds" of protestors, but failed to give an estimate of how many supporters showed up.
The majority of Americans welcome legal immigrants and wish them well. After all, we all have immigrant pasts. But like any other nation, America has rules about how to enter our country if you want to live here. It's not a free-for-all. Those who don't abide by our rules should be tossed out on their bums. Not only are we tired of those who take advantage, we are tired of those who defend them using tired terms like "racism."
Best of luck to Morristown. I hope other cities and towns take their lead.
We're dealing with a similar situation here in the Dallas suburb of Farmer's Branch, where lawmakers and concerned citizens who want to enforce the law and stop the flow of illegals are branded as racists. Here's to hoping that Morristown, Farmer's Branch, and the rest of America hold fast against the current tide of political correctness.
The Jersey Guys, afternoon drive hosts on WKXW in Trenton, New Jersey, have begun an online listener participation game that encourages people to turn in illegal immigrants or report anyone suspicious. The game is set to wrap up on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo.
Of course, Hispanic activists are angry.
At a news conference Thursday, Hispanic elected officials and others condemned the campaign as “dehumanizing,” “poisonous” and “idiotic,” threatening boycotts of the show’s advertisers unless the Jersey Guys apologize.
“Scapegoating and stereotyping Latinos does nothing but give bigoted individuals a platform to make ethnic slurs and racist comments,” said Assemblyman Wilfredo Caraballo of Newark, calling the campaign a “publicity stunt” that could incite violence against Hispanics.
More:
But anyone expecting an apology was sorely disappointed when Mr. Carton and Mr. Rossi held an on-air news conference a few hours after Mr. Caraballo’s comments. Seeking to profit from the recently ignited firestorm, the Jersey Guys gathered a corps of journalists, most of them Hispanic, in their Trenton studios and gleefully refused to back down. They insisted that the campaign was not anti-Hispanic and that the phrase “La Cucha Gotcha” was inoffensive, likening the song “La Cucaracha” to a lullaby or a patriotic standard like “Yankee Doodle Dandy.”
After calling Assemblyman Caraballo a “pathetic liar,” Mr. Carton repeated his call to deport every illegal immigrant in the country. “If you’re here illegally, you are breaking the law — no better, no worse than the guy who robs the liquor store or the guy who waits to case your house out and robs you of your belongings,” he said. “You are a criminal.”
He went on to blame illegal immigrants for the state’s high property taxes, problems with uninsured drivers and violent crime. He also hinted that illegal immigrants were more likely to become terrorists. “Our country is at war right now, and it’s very important that we protect our kids, and one of the ways you can protect them is to not let undocumented immigrants into this country,” he said.
Exactly. Illegals are not just from south of the border, they can be from anywhere...although Hispanic illegals seem to make up the bulk of the group. And apparently, many New Jerseyans agree with the Jersey Guys, as they have gotten a slew of supporting phone calls.
By making opposition to illegals a "racist" issue, apologists for illegals are trying to take attention away from the facts...that these people are here illegally and therefore breaking federal law...by getting people all riled up about perceived racism. Perhaps the argument is beginning to lose its luster.
To be honest, though, I'm surprised the radio station is allowing the game to go forward. It'll be intersting to see if they cave to special interests or stand firm.
If by the phrase "violence against Hispanics" they mean throwing illegal aliens in police cars, then in jail, and then deporting them, I guess that I am Pro-Violence Against Hispanics.
But, you notice that in your article, Carton and Rossi never uttered the word "Hispanic." They said illegal immigrants. Which is sugar-coating what they actually are anyway.
That would go for anyone that is in this country illegally. Irish? You betcha, and they aren't even Hispanic.
Why is a stand AGAINST ILLEGAL immigration considered bigotted and anit-Hispanic by the liberal media?
If you don't understand how obsured this is then read this:
Certain people are angry that
the US might protect its own
borders, might make it harder
to sneak into this country and,
once here, to stay indefinitely.
Let me see if I correctly understand
the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house.
Let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave.
But I say, "I've made all
the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
like to do. I'm h ard-working
and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).
According to the protesters:
You are Required to let me stay in your house You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan You are Required to Educate my kids You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house
And what a deal it is for me!!!
I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my k eep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.
Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can
communicate with me.
Why can't people see how ridiculous
this is?! Only in America
I think the radio show has something really productive going on. Hats of to them.
I think we can get rid of illegals very easily and here's how.
1. offer to give citizenship for every illegal who identifes 15 other illegal aliens.
2. the identified illegals can only be identified one time for the program.
3. the identified illegals will be escorted to their true place of residence.
4. if illegals are identifying eachother, the first who gets to 15 wins.
5. if they purposely try and create a tie they are disqualified and are deported immediately for once again cheating the system.
Just to clarify. It's not a game or a contest. There is no winner. There aren't and "rules".
It's just a movement, with the goal of ridding the state of illegal immigrants. The deadline was just to nothing more than a deadline on when they would have liked to reach their goal, not the day the 'contest' (which it isn't) ends and some one is awarded a prize (which they aren't).
Opinion:
Deporting every one of the one 16 million illegals int he country is not a reachable goal. However, letting the world know that we will be cracking down is.
Other things need to be done as well, like holding employers responsible, as well as corperations that view illegals as a marketable demographic (for instance bank of america handing out credit cards [with sky high intrest rates]).
Final Sentencing in CT Illegal Immigrant Driver's License Scam
In June of 2006, a handful of Connecticut Department of Motor Vehicles employees were arrested in a scam operation where the employees sold driver's licences to illegal immigrants through middlemen. Yesterday, the final sentence in the case was handed down:
Karin Birch, 34, of Stratford, was the sixth and final Bridgeport DMV worker to be sentenced in the scam.
The alleged ringleaders of the scheme, Venita Bines, of Bridgeport, and Tracy Stevenson-Lucas, of Stratford, are serving 7-year sentences.
Authorities said the defendants sold more than 1,500 licenses and nearly 1,000 Connecticut identification cards between June 2000 and December 2004. The state has recovered only a small portion of the licenses.
Police said DMV workers charged up to $2,000 a license and used middlemen, including members of the Hell's Angels Motor Cycle Club and exotic dancers, to sell them. The middlemen would arrange to meet buyers at restaurants and in parking lots around the city where phony licenses would be exchanged for cash.
Cases like this illustrate the growing need to put the illegal immigration controversy to bed. In addition to the toll on our social and economic resources and human traffickers making a killing smuggling people in over the border (sometimes causing deaths in the process), state employees are now tempted to make illicit money off of a group of people who, because of their fear of police, would not complain about being charged thousands for fake ID.
Secure the borders first. Then figure out what to do with the people already here.
Earlier this month, there was the Toys R Us sweepstakes controversy, in which the toy retailer refused to give a $25K savings bond to a baby born to an illegal immigrant Chinese couple (which it later reversed, most likely to avoid bad publicity and a costly lawsuit).
Now we have an illegal immigrant suing a Chicago radio station, 107.9 La Ley (a Spanish language station...surprise!), because it hasn't given her the Corvette she won in a contest in 2005.
In a written statement, La Ley said that it is legally required to get a valid Social Security number or tax identification number from anyone who wins prizes worth more than $500.
In other words, US citizens or legal residents only.
Maribel Nava Alvarez is also whining that the station's lawyer threatened to report her to immigration authorities if she went forward with the suit. She has since left the Chicago area, fearing deportation. Too bad she wasn't able to drive away in that snazzy Corvette.
who cares about Corvettes anyway?
As most US-built cars Corvettes are polluting plastic-made pieces of crap!
I hope the Chinese couple makes money to afford a better car.
Are you tired of the bureaucratic red tape involved with taxes and healthcare? Have you ever wondered how you can save yourself a little grief (and possibly big bucks)? This letter, posted over at ControlCongress.com, explains how:
The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
Senate Office Building Bu
309 Hart
Washington DC , 20510
Dear Senator Sarbanes,
As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the
Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your
assistance. I have contacted the Department of
Homeland Security in an effort to determine the
process for becoming an illegal alien and they
referred me to you.
My primary reason for wishing to change my status from
U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stem from the bill which
was recently passed by the Senate and for which you
voted. If my understanding of this bill’s provisions
is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the
United States for five years, all I need to do to
become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income
taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good
deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the
process started before everyone figures it out! Simply
put, those of us who have been here legally have had
to pay taxes every year so I’m excited about the
prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for
paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can
apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an
excellent result for me and my family because we paid
heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using
the local emergency room as my primary health care
provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for
medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save
almost $10,000 a year.
Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be
that my daughter would receive preferential treatment
relative to her law school applications, as well as
“in-state” tuition rates for many colleges throughout
the United States for my son.
Lastly, I understand that illegal status would
relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver’s license and
making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This
is very important to me given that I still have
college age children driving my car.
If you would provide me with an outline of the process
to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and
copies of the necessary forms, I would be most
appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.
Your Loyal Constituent,
Pete McGlaughlin
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And you thought illegal immigration was a problem?
The letter writer and others will know more of the legislation and governmental decisions granting status to illegals. This thinking can have no basis in American law, at least from my very amateur understanding. Can American law be used to disadvantage American citizens?
How then has it occurred?
New Haven's New Illegal Policy: Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Reminiscent of Bill Clinton's gays in the military policy, New Haven has enacted legislation that forbids police from asking about the legal status of anyone who reports a crime or otherwise asks for police assistance.
Undocumented [illegal -- ed.] workers often are the victims of crime and don’t report it out of fear of being deported. They’re often attractive prey because without legal documentation they can’t get bank accounts, and keep their money with them or in their homes.
By rough estimate, there are about 10,000 undocumented [illegal -- ed.] aliens in New Haven alone. It’s impossible to say how many have been victims of crime and not reported it.
I'm sorry for anyone who is the victim of crime. However, simply by being here, these people are themselves committing a crime. And, they make themselves targets as a result of their illegal status. When are these people going to be made to take responsibility for their actions?
As usual, the left's answer is to ratchet up a notch their status as victims. (I'm thankful New Haven mayor Joe DeStefano (D) failed miserably in his bid to become Connecticut's govnernor, if this is an example of how he runs things.)
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Guess which death tolls are getting more press?
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.
Other crime tolls linked to illegal aliens in the article include deaths from drunk drivers and the sexual molestation of children.
As stated in the linked article, these numbers are not official statistics. (Besides, we all know how statistics can be debated.) But shouldn't we be taking a closer look at the veracity of the claims? Or is the topic considered off-limits by the PC police? No, not all illegal aliens come here to commit crimes. And one cannot predict with any certainty that individuals who come here legally will never commit a crime. But those who break laws simply by being here should not be beyond extra scrutiny of their other activities.
Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration," asks the following question:
"That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
Pahrump, Nevada's main claim to fame has been being home to the Bonnie and Clyde death car, ensconced at Whiskey Pete's. (As a kid, I saw the car at the Silver Dollar Saloon in Virginia City. Blood stains and everything!)
Now, the town has passed a law banning the flying of foreign flags alone:
The elected town board in the remote Mojave Desert community voted 3-2 on Tuesday to enact an ordinance making it illegal to fly a foreign nation's flag by itself.
Flying another country's flag, whether it is a British Union Jack or the flag of Mexico, is punishable by a $50 fine and 30 hours' community service, unless it is flown below an American flag.
"Old Glory is sovereign," says Paul Willis, a retired carpenter and board member. "You can't fly any other nation's flag higher than the American flag."
Of course, the ACLU is already bleating:
The American Civil Liberties Union says the flag restriction violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech.
"There's no doubt about it," says Lisa Rasmussen, a board member of the Nevada ACLU. "People have a right, as much as we don't like it, to fly ... any flag they wish."
No one's banning the flying of other flags...just saying that they must fly with and below the American flag. But to tell that to the "anyone but America first" ACLU is like spitting into the wind. Rasmussen has also said to expect the ACLU to "take action."
And that's not all:
The law passed as part of a package of measures that also declared English the official language of Pahrump and denies town benefits to illegal immigrants.
French is the official language of France. (I thought it was Weaselese.) German is the official language of Germany. Italian is the official language of Italy. Spanish is the official language of Mexico and Spain. I could go on. Why is it so many people get their knickers in a twist when Americans propose making English the official language of America? And what's wrong with expecting that the flag that represents our country be given priority over the flags of other countries? Plus, barring benefits from those not legally eligible to receive them is responsible on two fronts: it relieves the economic burden on the town and its taxpayers, and discourages illegals from showing up to begin with.
Pahrump is joining in with towns like Hazleton, PA and Farmers Branch, TX, in taking a stance against illegal immigration. Other towns should follow suit. Will our federal government finally take note?
What disgusts me most about Republicans is that the symbols of America mean more to them, and are put ahead of, the freedoms that make America great.
posted by paul at November 16, 2006 11:19 PM
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What disgusts me most about any American is the shame they are made to feel about flying this country's flag or demanding a national language regardless of party! American's are made to feel bad if they are patriotic by other nations as well as other Americans like Paul!
ONCE - just once - I would like to see the ACLU come down on the side of some PRO AMERICAN cause. Have they registered yet as lobbyists for a foreign nation? They ought to be required to do so because they sure don't support anything American! Bunch of dunderheads!
And Paul, you don't know diddly about Republicans if you can make an asinine statement like the one you just made!
We honor our nation - its laws, its customs, its history AND its symbols. It's called PATRIOTISM, Paul, and Republicans are not ashamed of it!
I think the reason that liberals are is because they know that if they embrace a love of their country, they might need to inconvenience their precious selves in defense of same!
Meanwhile, it's a Friday afternoon and there's a big football game tomorrow in Columbus, Ohio and I am no longer in the mood to engage in a dispute with a dullard.
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Pillco told detectives that he punched Shelly, 40, last Wednesday afternoon outside the Abingdon Square apartment she was using as an office after she yelled at him about the noise he was making while working in a vacant apartment below.
Pillco, who is from Ecuador and speaks only Spanish, also claimed that Shelly slapped him first.
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According to the NY Post article, Pillco, thinking Shelly was dead, dragged her to her own apartment and hung her from the shower curtain rod in the bathroom in order to make it look like a suicide.
Watch for those who feel sorry for illegals ("they're just here trying to make an honest living") to jump all over this case like John Kerry on a needleful of Botox. They'll claim he was railroaded and forced into a confession because of his lack of knowledge of English (hey, another good reason to learn the language of the country you come to!) despite forensic evidence matching his sneakers to the scene of the crime.
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HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.
The lawsuit, filed Friday in state district court in Houston, is a companion to a similar class-action suit filed last month in Dallas against Dublin, Ohio-based Wendy's, its subsidiary Cafe Express and the Houston-based business law firm Boyar & Miller.
The immigrants, who worked for Cafe Express, are seeking unspecified damages.
Between the two lawsuits, 40 illegal immigrants say they were fired after the company recently found that Boyar & Miller, the law firm Wendy's had hired, never filed paperwork for a 2001 legalization program that allowed immigrants with employer sponsorship or an American spouse to apply for citizenship.
If the illegals are angry with anyone, it should be with the law firm that failed to file the necessary paperwork that would have made it possible for these people to apply for citizenship.
Or, perhaps they should stop and think that if they had gone through legal channels to begin with, they wouldn't be in this mess.
People complain that there is too much red tape when it comes to applying for citizenship in the US. That's all well and good, but unless our immigration laws are amended, they're the laws that those who seek to come here need to follow.
The gall of these people is truly unbelievable. They're not supposed to be here, then sue the company that (following the law) fires them when it's discovered there's been a major snafu in their legal status.
I'd like to imagine that the judge who gets this case will toss it right out, but I've seen way too much nonsense lately to indulge in this kind of wishful thinking.
Wow, I hadn't even heard about this one yet. Unbelievable. Gotta check the local liberal rag (Houston Comical) to see what coverage they have. Pretty ridiculous, if you ask me.
What I wouldn't give to see Customs and Immigration Services officials show up at court to greet the plaintiffs...
My friend Chris at Lucky Dawg News posted about the flap Miller Beer got itself in when it provided money that went toward the planning of an "immigration rights" march in Chicago last week.
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The Washington Post has an article on the town of Hazelton, Pennsylvania, which has taken the bold step of passing legislation that would make it very difficult for illegal aliens to live and work there. The new law will take effect next month.
Last month, in a raucous meeting, the mayor and City Council passed the Illegal Immigration Relief Act. ([Mayor] Barletta wore a bulletproof vest because, he says, Hazleton is menaced by a surge in crime committed by illegal immigrants.) The act imposes a $1,000-per-day fine on any landlord who rents to an illegal immigrant, and it revokes for five years the business license of any employer who hires one.
The act also declares English to be the city's official language. Employees are forbidden to translate documents into another language without official authorization.
The Post does a somewhat decent job at providing a balanced story. We hear stories from those who do and do not support the legislation. Many who are quoted say it has nothing to do with where the illegals are from, but the fact that they are illegal. Gang activity is also discussed as being a factor.
He [Barletta] says his epiphany came in May, when several illegal immigrants walked up to a local man at 11 o'clock one night and shot him in the forehead. One suspect had four false identity papers. "It took us nine hours of overtime just to run down who he was," Barletta said.
This, he said, came on the heels of crack dealing on playgrounds and pit bulls lunging at cops.
"I lay in bed and thought: I've lost my city," he recalls. "I love the new legal immigrants; they want their kids to be safe just like I do. I had to declare war on the illegals."
Barletta is also quoted as saying "'illegal' and 'legal' do not have a race."
According to the article, other towns in the general area are passing ordinances like this, and I say it's high time. Illegals will continue to come if they know they will have a job and a place to stay. Cracking down on those who provide employment and a home to illegals is one way to stem the tide.
But more action needs to be taken. Our government needs to get tougher on keeping our borders secure. As long as they can get away with it, wannabe immigrants will continue to avoid the legal process and sneak in any way they can. And, if workers can come in illegally, so can terrorists.
It's not racism. It's taking back control of the laws of the land. Other countries enforce their immigration laws. It's time that we do the same.
Raising the usual complaints about racism
**This was a production of the Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, go to the above link to learn more. Afterward, e-mail the coalition and let us know at what level you would like to participate.**
Other CAII action today:
Common Sense America discusses how the Senate burdens us, the taxpayers, with the costs of its amnesty bill.
yes we have to be like all other countries and enforce our laws bigtime! Its time these illegal wetbacks get the hell back to their shithole poor countries!! They say *mexico is the best* but refuse to go there! If we got rid of all these damn minorites.. there will be rarely any crime nationwide!
The shortsightedness of this immigration 'policy' is astounding. It is simply pandering to the religious conservative right who refuse to acknowledge that without illegal immigration and the cheap labor the immigrants provide our fields, factories, food plants, construction sites and gardens would be deserted. We need to welcome people who want to work in jobs Americans do not want to do and help them become part of our society. We should speak Spanish and English, we should provide healthcare and we should provide education as part of a social welfare system and we should appreciate the work that these people do to support their families, whether those families are here or in Latin America. Wake up and smell the burritos people, if you're worried about a Mexican taking YOUR job, why don't you get off your behind and get a better job?
posted by Mark at September 7, 2006 08:09 AM
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posted by Chris at September 19, 2006 12:53 AM
i feel sorry for u dumbass racist bastards who think you are losing power to the hispanic community. I love to see you guys cry and cry over the fact that illegal immigrants are taking YOUR jobs. I love the fact that you guys forgot who was the real immigrants in the first place. Who came to the "new world" and killed every single native of the americas. So for the guy who said you would feel different if one violated your daughter and killed your wife... im sorry to remind you that they killed off virtually all of my ancestors when they got to my native country. By the way my father was an illegal immigrant, got his visa and passport and citizenship and worked hard to become CEO of a company that helps people with disabilities. So maybe you should worry that "WE" are taking your jobs.
I posted about the woman who is hiding out in a church in Chicago rather than be sent back to Mexico for violating our immigration laws last week.
This online poll shows that a large majority of respondents do not believe churches should be able to provide such sanctuary. Unfortunately, the story that accompanies the poll says that the feds will not storm the church to hustle her on her way.
Nice how the feds are bowing to PC pressure rather than enforcing the law. It's also nice to know they don't care what the majority thinks.
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Immigration activists around the country are taking up the cause of a single mother who invoked the ancient principle of sanctuary and took refuge in a Chicago church rather than submit to deportation to Mexico.
Elvira Arellano, 31, was holed up for a second day Wednesday at Aldalberto United Methodist Church with the support of the congregation's pastor. With her was her 7-year-old son, Saul, an American citizen.
Apparently church sanctuary doesn't mean a hill of beans in accordance with U.S. law, but it certainly wouldn't look good for the feds if they stormed in to arrest her.
This is yet another reason why our citizenship and immigration laws not only need to be overhauled, but upheld. The children of illegals should not be granted automatic citizenship upon birth. Now this woman is playing the sympathy gambit and getting it, even though she is not even supposed to be here. If and when she is deported is anyone's guess.
Ridiculous.
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**This was a production of the Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, go to the above link to learn more. Afterward, e-mail the coalition and let us know at what level you would like to participate.**
My parents came to the US legally. They waited their turn. My dad has an American flag in his backyard.
We are sick and tired of hearing how lawbreakers demand their "rights." This woman is not a benefit to this country. We don't want her here. Her morality and ethics are questionable...as are those of her so-called store-front church.
She is a law breaker. Probably she has chosen to avail herself of those of our laws that suit her...like free healthcare, food substidies, education or other social services paid for by legal American taxpayers.
She picks and chooses which laws are convenient to obey and which are not. Do we actually want someone like this person in the US? I don't think so.
Persons like Arellano always talk about their needs..."me," "mine," "I want," etc. They are selfish and self-centered. They ignore the fact that it costs the average American $11,000 per year to pay for each of them.
The Senate wants to bring in more low-skilled persons (60-100 million) within 10 years. The effects of this legislation would result in the decrease of our middle class due to downward pressure on wages and benefits.
In fact, S.2611 and the Hutchison-Pence bills would actually make life more difficult for those Hispanics who are here now legally. They would be forced to compete with millions of others.
It is obvious that these bills benefit Big Business (who substidize Senatorial campaigns).
It behooves me that I as a Puerto Rican am being generalized with mexicans. People need to realize that there is a major difference between a Puerto Rican and a Mexican. First pick up an atlas and see that there are about 2000 miles of ocean between the two. Unlike Mexicans we embrace this great country and speak (English) and Spanish,we are born citizens, and are willing to fight for this great country like we have in WWII,Korean War, Vietnam and Iraq. We have sacrificed in times of peril for this country and people need to wake up and realize there are major differences especially in language and culture. That babble most people hear mexicans speak is not spanish. I say again it is not spanish, I can't even understand what they say and I speak spanish fluently. Does anyone ever bother to wonder why there is a mexican dictionary?? They have so many made up words its not even funny. Illegal mexicans are giving hispanics a bad name and frankly I am tired of it. It doesn't make sense that illegals have "universal healthcare" by just breaking the law coming here and there are so many Americans who have no health insurance and are quickly billed for any healthcare they incure, its sick. Look I know there are other ethnic groups that come here illegally but everyone knows Mexicans are the biggest group coming in here knowing they can take advantage of the social programs here. Build a wall(A real wall not a tin fence) on the border and put active duty troops and problem is solved. It kills me when I hear these gutless politicians say a wall won't solve anything! really?? Well I guess lets just keep the flood gates open and not do anything about it and give away millions upon millions of hard earned US tax dollars away for "FREE" then. Caucasian people need to realize there are thousands of hispanics like me who want this problem fixed now.
We all know there are people out there who are willing to provide fake documentation to illegal immigrants. That in and of itself is appalling. What's more appalling, however, is when state employees decide to get in on the action:
BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (AP) -- A fifth employee of the state Department of Motor Vehicles has been arrested on charges of selling driver's licenses to illegal aliens and criminals.
Cynthia White, 42, of Bridgeport was charged Tuesday with two counts of violating the state Corrupt Organizations and Racketeering Act, three counts of bribe taking, two counts of conspiracy to commit second-degree forgery and one count of second-degree forgery.
Superior Court Judge Patrick Carroll ordered her held in lieu of $150,000 bond and continued the case to June 30.
Conrod Davy, 21, of Hartford was charged Tuesday with acting as a middleman in the transactions.
Police said White sold 110 driver's licenses and 36 IDs for $2,000 each. A number of the sales were made through Davy at area strip bars, police said.
The arrests came as part of a wide-ranging investigation by state police into the illegal selling of Connecticut driver's licenses. The probe has led police all over the country, where illegal aliens and felons have been picked up with Connecticut licenses in their pockets.
In addition to White, state police arrested four other Bridgeport DMV employees, Venita Bines, Tracy Lucas-Stevenson, Karin Birch and Jannette Rodriguez. Authorities say they sold more than 1,500 licenses and nearly 1,000 Connecticut identification cards from June 2000 to December 2004.
Police said on some days illegal aliens were lined up 10 deep at the women's windows to buy driver's licenses for between $1,000 and $2,000. All five were fired before their arrests.
Bines and Lucas-Stevenson have since pleaded guilty and are facing up to 10 years in prison. The other cases are pending.
A number of the sales were made at strip bars? Well, at least we know the illegals are enjoying their time in between day jobs.
It feels so good knowing that employees on the public's dime have taxpayers' best interests at heart. As a Connecticut resident, I feel truly blessed.
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let me know at what level you would like to participate.**
It seems the Mexican government has been watching too much Law & Order:
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico - Mexico said Tuesday that it would file lawsuits in U.S. courts if National Guard troops on the border become directly involved in detaining migrants.
Mexican border officials also said they worried that sending troops to heavily trafficked regions would push illegal migrants into more perilous areas of the U.S.-Mexican border to avoid detection.
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Mexican officials worry the crackdown will lead to more deaths. Since Washington toughened security in Texas and California in 1994, migrants have flooded Arizona's hard-to-patrol desert and deaths have spiked. Migrant groups estimate 500 people died trying to cross the border in 2005. The Border Patrol reported 473 deaths in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30.
I love how the Mexican government is more worried about people not getting over the border than why they are leaving.
Juan Canche, 36, traveled more than 1,200 miles to the border from the southern town of Izamal and said nothing would stop him from trying to cross.
"Even with a lot of guards and soldiers in place, we have to jump that puddle," said Canche, referring to the drought-stricken Rio Grande dividing Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, Texas. "My family is hungry and there is no work in my land. I have to risk it."
This is the main root of the problem. The Mexican economy is in shambles, and desperate people are trying to find employment elsewhere. I understand why they are doing it. This doesn't mean I want them crossing over illegally, but I understand the cause. And, rather than doing something about it at home, the Mexican government continues to pass the buck and make their desperate citizens our problem.
This is not to say Mexicans wouldn't want to come to America if the Mexican economy were strong. But it's doubtful they would be streaming over illegally, thousands a day, risking their very lives in a last ditch effort to support themselves and their families.
In addition to shoring up our southern borders, President Bush (and whomever follows him) should not be allowing the Mexican government to make demands of us. Rather, he should be demanding that Mexico do something about her own pitiful economy that causes her people to leave in droves.
It's time to get tough with Mexico: not just those who violate our immigration laws, but the government that expects us to support its citizens.
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let me know at what level you would like to participate.
Other CAII action today:
The Amboy Times has another take on Mexico's stance on her citizens streaming over our borders.
Double Barrelled Opinions urges you to contact your representatives now.
I heard this news on Fox yesterday. Can you believe it? It's a threat of course. What nerve Mexico has. They expect us to support them, just like many other countries in this world. I'm tired of it.
If things go this way latins will be the mayority and will be voting to bring even more into the USA, I was born and grew up in Mexico: the goverment is corrupt to the bone and the people are poor and ignorant, my dad owned a steakhouse and we had to deal with workers that did bad work and stole all the time, most mexicans believe is the American Goverment's fault for all of their problems and once they are here they are entitled to all kinds of free services, in about 30 yrs. we will have a mayority population with no HS education who will be low payed employees and ignorant, which is just what you want if you want to be a super rich ruler (like Fidel Castro one of the richest men in the world), I heard Reid (Dem, I am from NV) cry "the are many hotels that are going to be built in NV, we need the labor", the casinos make millions a year but are too cheap to pay a good wage.Going back to the vote, I worked for the goverment for a while in Mex and one time this is what I observed: before election time they rounded up the poor & ignorant and gave them a breakfast consisting of Tang "juice", white bread toast and eggs and asked to vote for the PRI, you bet they did, but they have even more creative ways of making up votes.Another case in point: latin people even thought born in the USA are indoctrinated on what country they really belong to, if you have noticed some pro-illegals' amnesty are of latin descent as someone told me "I hate people who forget where they came from!", just because I encouraged them to learn english, there are exceptions of course (like me!)the future of America is at stake, but I have becomed increasingly pessimistic about the outcome. I am starting to feel like I am back in Mexico where Dem pass fliers at the ignorant and poor rallies to vote for them with a picture of Tx belonging to Mex, the media lies '"undocumented" workers', "peaceful demostrations", the minority rules about 66 in the Senate, a few more in Microsoft, in the white house, Wal-mart...etc., crooks get away: Kennedy's car crash, and politicians lie: "the national guard is spread to thin", 6000 out of a population of 300 mil?, why it's not even 1% of the population. Do somenthing. God Bless America.
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In a way related...
O'reilly had today the whinny lawyer and daughter of two illegal immigrants: they where driving by somewhere far away from the border in CA and the mother was sent back to Mexico for being here illegally the dad guess what? he's MIA in some prison not far away (incarcerated before all this) and what really got me was O'Reilly crying a river over all this "hard working people", the lawyer said "they should be getting the drug dealers and REAL criminals", someone out there will benefit from this because their SSN is not being used anymore by one more ILLEGAL, how do you know if they are good or bad?, do they have a sign on their foreheads stating this?, I watched "to catch a predator" and some of those guys where young, educated and good looking.
Americans are going crazy, and I as a Legal Immigrant have to watch all this madness!...Fox News works for Bush...Lou Dobbs for president (I hate the media).
If you look to the MSM for your information on a daily basis, you are severely uninformed. Take yesterday's "Day Without Immigrants" rallies, for example. One would think that it was a bunch of folks who, in their zeal to become Americans, simply skipped a vital step in the immigration process. You'd think they are all peace-loving, wanna-be productive members of society. "We just want a better life," they say.
For the real story behind much of this protesting for rights that are not their due (their status in our country being illegal), click here. Michelle Malkin has posted plenty of photos of the driving force behind these protests and rallies. Che Guevara, anyone?
The worst part about all of this is the fact that while the protesters have not made their agenda a secret, the MSM is doing their best to keep this agenda a secret from the American public. How? By refraining from the use of "illegal" during their coverage and refraining from the publication of the photos Malkin and others have posted.
Do they really believe all of the politically correct nonsense they are constantly throwing at the rest of us? Or do they secretly agree with/sympathize with the claims being made by yesterday's protesters? Do they think the entire Southwest should be turned back over to Mexico? Do they really believe in open borders? These are questions worth asking, but answers are not guaranteed.
From a personal perspective, yesterday's "shutdown" of NYC didn't happen, at least not in my neck of the woods. I work in Midtown, and didn't notice any appreciable lack of services, food or otherwise. Perhaps it was different in other parts of the city, but I saw plenty of Hispanic-looking folks going about their daily business as I went about mine.
As for the politicians who ignore the wishes of American citizens as they salivate over the prospect of garnering votes from those who probably wouldn't bother voting anyway if granted amnesty (because that's all this "guest worker" claptrap is), I hold them in the utmost contempt. We're watching. And we're biding our time.
More: Defend Our Borders thinks the day was a bust.
Van Helsing at Moonbattery wonders if we can have a "Day Without Immigrants," can we try to have a "Decade Without Illegal Immigrants"?
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let me know at what level you would like to participate.
The only ones I saw hurt were the latin owned stores, I shop sometimes there and about 99% of their customers are latin.
There was a letter sent by the Revolutionary Council and Provisional Goverment of Aztlan to take arms and protect themselves "against extremist European invaders", you can read the letter at www.mascowbell.blogspot.com
Believe me this will turn violent eventually as their demands are not fulfilled, and we will have in our hands terrorists like they do in Israel, the Palestinians say that "Israel is in their land" and need to be "scrapped into the sea".
I often get tips from someone called GD, and they are usually very good ones. Most often they are links to articles on the Internet, but this time he sent me what is purported to be a forwarded e-mail by an American working in Mexico. I cannot verify the veracity of what is below, but if it's true, then the hypocrisy of Vicente Fox and Co. is absolutely nauseating:
From the other side of the fence.....
Forwarded to me from friends of Tom O'Malley who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City.
I spent five years working in Mexico. I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working Illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval.
During that six months our Mexican and US attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called an FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except her's did not permit her to work.
To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The St.Louis Chief of Police indicating that I had had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.
All of the above was in English that had to be translated into Spanish and then be certified as legal translations with our signatures notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.
Once they were completed, Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican attorney touring Mexican Government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location, and we remember at least four locations, we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences.
We could not protest any of the Government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done, we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Laredo Texas. This meant that we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.
We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.
We were required to get a Mexican driver's license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with its photography and finger printing equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it, you would have to pay ransom to get it back.
We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they had prepared. It was about twenty legal size pages annually.
The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.
Leaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.
It was a real adventure and if any of our Senators or Congressman went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.
The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their "White House" or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US Embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most protests, the Mexican Military surrounds the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.
Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks that we are being hard on illegal immigrants.
Tom O'Malley
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let me know at what level you would like to participate.
Inquiring and open minds should look into the process of legally entering the us to live and work. It is an even more difficult process.
This guy had the luxury of the help of his employer, and several attorneys, as well as the benefit of having enough money to spend and food to eat while waiting for the process to complete.
A starving non english speaking immigrant doesn't stand a chance to come live and work in the US legally. Even getting a temporary green card isn't easy.
It's easy to jump on the hate wagon, but don't be too quick to judge others. It isn't the christian way. I love my country, and I do believe that something must be done, but the hatred and prejudism isn't going to pave the way.
Poor mexicans don't have computers and internet access to document in detail their struggles. But if you look into it, and truly want to discover what is required to become a US citizen, put your computer and internet access to good use and investigate.
You might be very suprprised to find out exactly what is required. Most of my friends and family (whom are predominantly white) wouldn't qualify without having to make changes to their lifestyle and political opinions.
Of course, many people have already made up their minds, and given in to the wave of hatred and resentment. These folks don't want the truth, they want to be told that it is ok to hate. Hate mongers are preferred citizens of any military government, because their so easily swayed by spicing up any controversial actions with stories and information about minorities and terrorists.
Before you rush to believe something that supports your hate, you might want to investigate details on your own.
Here is what is required to get the FM3 visa described in the hate mail being sent around the internet email. This is for the most in depth FM3 visa (there are three types of FM3).
http://www.mexonline.com/business/visa3.htm
1. VALID PASSPORT AND ONE PHOTOCOPY OF PASSPORT
Passport must have at least 6 months of validity remaining. If person is a legal resident of U.S., a copy of the front and back of the alien registration card (green card) is also required. Check with a Mexican consulate (see below) if from another nation.
2. LETTER ADDRESSED TO THE CONSULATE GENERAL OF MEXICO BY THE AMERICAN COMPANY HE/SHE REPRESENTS, ON THE OFFICIAL COMPANY LETTERHEAD STATING THE FOLLOWING:
A. Specific purpose of the trip in Mexico.
B. That applicant's salary will be paid in the U.S.
C. Time requested and length of stay in Mexico.
3. A LETTER OR LETTERS FROM THE COMPANY / COMPANIES IN MEXICO, ADDRESSED TO THE COMPANY IN THE U.S.A., REQUESTING THE SERVICE OF THE TECHNICIAN OR ENGINEER AND THE ACTIVITIES TO BE PERFORMED.
4. TWO (2) PASSPORT FRONT VIEW PHOTOS IN COLOR.
NO AUTOMATIC MACHINE PHOTOS WILL BE ACCEPTED.
5. COMPLETED APPLICATION FORM.
6. FEES:
One hundred and fifty six ($156.00) U.S. dollars paid in cash only - no money orders, company, personal or cashier's check will be accepted.
7. A COPY OF THE COMPANIES BUSINESS LICENSE. MUST NOT BE EXPIRED.
IF REQUESTING A RENEWAL, CURRENT DOCUMENTS AND PHOTOS MUST BE PRESENTED AGAIN.
*Last updated may 2004
NOTE
Applications accepted at Mexican consulates.
Applicants must apply in person between 8am and 12 noon, Monday-Friday.
Please allow document to take 24 hrs. for processing.
Who the hell is Tom O'Malley? Why should such a letter be spread arround without truly identifying the sender? Can anyone find or certify a Tom O'Malley as an employee of SW Bell?
(AP) SACRAMENTO California's state senators on Thursday endorsed Monday's boycott of schools, jobs and stores by illegal immigrants and their allies as supporters equated the protest with great social movements in American history.
By a 24-13 vote that split along party lines, the California Senate approved a resolution that calls the one-day protest the Great American Boycott 2006 and describes it as an attempt to educate Americans "about the tremendous contribution immigrants make on a daily basis to our society and economy."
The word missing in the above statement is ILLEGAL. But why let pesky details get in the way of sucking up to potential voters?
Illegal aliens and their supporters may think they are indispensible to our economy, but that's not necessarily the case. From the Center for Immigration Studies:
It is often suggested that "matching a willing worker with a willing employer" is all that matters when it comes to immigration policy. The fiscal costs of illegal immigration indicate that focusing only on workers and employers is grossly inadequate. If the presence of large numbers of unskilled workers lowers prices for some goods and services, but at the same time increases the burden on taxpayers, then this may not be a good deal for the country. Put simply, the mere fact that employers want more workers, and foreigners wish to work in this country, does not mean that Americans necessarily benefit from their coming. This fact must be considered when formulating policy.
Again, why let pesky details get in the way? Do they really think they'll close our cities for a day? I doubt it. We'll see who's right on Monday.
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let us know at what level you would like to participate.
I used to live in California (Northern for 1-1/2 years 2 different times and Southern for about 18 years) and those people just aren't right. I moved back to Ohio in 1994 and have NEVER been sorry that I did so!
The illegals (and they are EVERYWHERE) are rude, frequently lawless. Even the 2nd or 3rd generation Mexicans that I met did not consider themselves Americans and still spoke with heavy Hispanic accents (though they were born here - what's up with that).
Our nation is being invaded and we're doing nothing about it.
The protest wasn't a completely unified statement of any particular cause. It was basically to show that there are great numbers of people who don't swell up with hatred and resentment, such as what is quite common in America today.
The protest wasn't to establish that illegal immigration should be tolerated or made legal, it was to show a unified front.
There is such deeply rooted prejudism against mexicans, and people are quick to judge folks they don't even know. Many americans think that they are better than the lowly illegal immigrants. The protest was a backlash against that sentiment, and to fight for fairness in immigration policy.
Try putting your computer to good use and doing some research. Find out what it takes to become a US citizen. Find the real specific details required of an immigrant. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and think aobut what you would do if you were poor, and needed to provide for your family. Would you be worried about political borders, or preserving the rich man's way of life, or would you be a good provider and do everything in your power to help feed and shelter your family?
It's easy to say "I have mine, let them worry abou theirs" when you are the one with the wealth and luxuries of even the lower middle class american. But that isn't christian, and it isn't friendly. It is a feeling of prejudism fueled by hatred and resentment.
There are more positive ways to protect and preserve our great country. Be humble, have compassion, have an open mind, try working together for a solution.
With the May 1st boycott of schools and businesses in support of illegal immigrants in America looming, there are a lot of hot tempers around.
Here's a sample from comments left right here on this site (copied and pasted exactly):
tHE BOYCOTT WILL GO ON AND I PLAN TO PARTCIPATE. I AM A MEXICAN AMERICAN AND I WILL STAND BEHIND MY PEOPLE 100 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!
Notice Carmen says she is a Mexican-American, and stands behind her people.
I find it interesting that she doesn't consider herself an American. But then again, I don't know if she's her legally or not. If she is here legally, her comment is even more disturbing than if she isn't.
Remeber if you are not a native o America you are also an inmigran in some way, I am also an inmigrant like every single one of you.
Milt ignores an important point: Except for a few extreme wackos, the beef most Americans have with this whole "movement" is that these are people who have snuck over our border in violation of our immigration laws, and then they have the audacity to demand rights that are not theirs. We are not anti-immigrant, we are anti-illegal immigrant. This is a crucial difference the rabid pro-illegal crowd is determined to ignore.
Of course we are all of immigrant stock of some kind. (There are theories that even American Indians came over either on a Bering Strait land bridge or possibly by boat -- albeit thousands of years ago.) For anyone to claim otherwise is ludicrous.
However, since 1875, when the Supreme Court of the United States decreed that the regulation of immigration was the responsibility of the federal government, there have been laws to uphold. Not all of those laws over the years have been something to be proud about, but that's why we have legislators who can improve upon outdated ideas.
The point is, we have legislation making illegal for anyone to just waltz over the border without proper documentation/permission. And, if you want to become a citizen, there is a process for that as well. My ancestors did it. And since they did it legally, and I was born here, then I'm a native. Sorry, but there's no two ways about that one.
Oh, and here's a lulu of a comment:
I think the boycott will help all Americans see how much we are needed by them. How can they say we steal jobs when were doing jobs they dont want to do. I don't see them digging holes in streets, or cutting yards..
Why would we dig holes or cut yards when we know we'll be passed over for such work because there are illegals willing to do it for less? Americans love a bargain. By the way, I have no respect for those who deliberately hire illegal aliens on the cheap. Not only are they saying to the illegals, "You aren't worth paying what an American would expect," but they're saying to everyone else, "We're above such petty concerns as checking for green cards or visas. As people with money and oversized egos, we are above the law."
Illegal aliens cost us more than they supposedly save us. For example, hospitals in and around the border area are closing because they can no longer aborb the cost of treating illegals who cannot pay. School budgets are bursting at the seams, paying to educate children whose parents do not contribute to said school budget. And so on and so on.
I'd like to close my rant with the following question. I hope someone can answer it for me:
Why is it that the same people who are screaming that we shouldn't outsource jobs overseas because it's taking employment away from Americans seem to think it's okay for illegal aliens to come over and take jobs away from Americans who would do them -- if the pay scale was not being artificially lowered by greedy employers and illegals who are willing to do just about anything for pennies?
More: Debbie at Right Truth notes that high gas prices are eclipsing the illegal alien stories in the news. Does the MSM have ADHD?
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email the coalition and let me know at what level you would like to participate.
theres a big misconception about why people come here. immigrants don’t leave their families and risk death crossing multiple boarders by land and sea because they want to come do menial jobs in the US. many don’t even come with the idea of staying. people risk their lives and take the degradation once here because they’re desperate. take a look at the situations that have driven people here. the irish came because of famine the russian because of communism. today it is no different, the countries people immigrate from are in turmoil… for many waiting four years for a visa isn’t an option. when they decide to risk their lives and leave their homes it is an act of desperation. if the US truly wants the influx of immigrants and the amount of people that come and stay to diminish, the US needs to stop nourishing violence and turning a blind eye to exploitation. better conditions in the homelands of the immigrants would mean less immigrants. Content people don’t pick up and leave.
If you want to stand behind your people, as you call them, then go back to Mexico.
If you want to stand by Americans, feel free to stay.
posted by Pam at April 25, 2006 06:56 PM
Remeber if you are not a native o America you are also an inmigran in some way, I am also an inmigrant like every single one of you.
posted by Milt at April 25, 2006 08:34 PM
I think the boycott will help all Americans see how much we are needed by them. How can they say we steal jobs when were doing jobs they dont want to do. I don't see them digging holes in streets, or cutting yards..
we r gonna stand behind our people.. we will show how much we are needed in the usa... and its NOT cancelled.. sorry truth hurts usa... without immigrants u ain't nothin!!!
"No Work - No School - No Purchases" on Monday May 1st ! Remember don't go shopping, don't buy Kinberly-Clark products (Kleenx, Huggies)the congress man that propossed the bill is the the heir to Kimberly-Clark. For those of you in Mexico, no purchases from American franchises (Sears, Wal Mart, Burger King..etc)
if people work and pay taxes they have the right to be treated like citezens because they are helping the economy!
posted by Diana at April 26, 2006 07:14 PM
I love my race and nationality but I have a hard time standing behind a bunch of rowdy people yelling "Viva Mexico" when what they want is amnesti in the US. Drop the Mexican flags, get organized, stay focused, and know why you're protesting. You can get what you're after if you play the game correctly. Viva La Raza, Los Inmigrantes, y La Causa!
Ok I don't have any problem with ANY immigrant from ANY country who comes to AMERICA for a better life. I would do the same if I was born someplace else! HOWEVER, why did you come here if you are so proud of the country you just left? Drop your damn flags and pick up the red white and blue. Its where you live now. Be an AMERICAN. And whats the point of the protest? You want a cookie? You want us to say WE NEED YOU? Do you realize this country flourished without you? So why do you think we NEED you to prosper? Yeah and dont go to school anymore our schools are too crowded as they are.
Im mexican and I really dont understand why immigrants or any ethnicity is trying to debate amnesty without paying taxes? Pay your taxes just like everyone else is! Taxes build roads, schools (in which your children go to by the way) medical, etc. Most of these people have no idea what theyre even debating, and whats sad is, most of these people are not even legal, which means they cant vote the day people take the polls. Pat yourself on the back I guess for meaningless effort. And I agree with Pam, feel free to stay here if your proud to be an American, your not in Mexico, you came here without any invitation, so play by the rules and your more than welcome to stay.
...LEGAL MEANS NO CRIME, IF YOU ARE HERE WITHOUT LEGALIZATION DOCUMENTS YOU ARE ILLEGAL AND THAT'S A CRIME. FOLLOW THE RULES WHICH INCLUDE PAYING YOUR SHARE OF TAXES AND YOUR MEDICAL BILLS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CITIZEN IS REQUIRED TO DO AND AMERICA WILL WELCOME YOU.
PLEASE BOYCOTT!!! Then MAYBE the American people will open their frickin eyes and see that WE DON'T NEED YOU ILLEGAL PRICKS IN OUR COUNTRY!!! We don't need the high crime rate thanks to the elligals, we don't need higher taxes thanks to the illegals, we don't need hospitals closing thanks to the illegals. Screw every one of you morons who support ILLEGAL ACTIVITY in our country!!!!
YIKES,A BIT OF RESPECT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON BOTH SIDES,PLEASE! REMEMBER, STEREOTYPES ARE NOT ALWAYS TRUE!I DO SOME OF THE WORK THAT NON HISPANICS ALLEGEDLY WILL NOT DO, AND DO NOT OBJECT TO IT. FURTHERMORE,I AND OTHER NON HISPANIC RESIDENTS OF THE HIGHLAND PARK AREA HAVE EXPERIENCED INTIMIDATION, AND SLURS, SUCH AS BEING CALLED A PUTA AND OR GAY WHICH MOST ASSUREDLY I AM NOT! I WILL NOT DESERT MY LOVED ONES AND MY HOME;REMEMBER, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND WORK AT WHAT WE WANT. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY TOO! lONG LIVE THE US CONSTITUTION, ALLCIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL, AND DOWN WITH THUGGERY!
aight you white self-centered pieces of cr*p. you think that this protest is just being done because we want you to believe you need us?...no you're wrong. many of us came over with dreams of succeeding. so if you all want to destroy our dreams, we are going to show you how your economy would look like without us. you will now see a day without a mexican. so on may first when you grass aint being cut, you paper is not being delivered, your trash is not picked, and you little ones arent being taken care of by their nanny's...thats when you will realize how much you actually need us. so think about what you are saying before you do. you should know how much immigrants help the american economy, we pay taxes just like any american citizen, so we should be offered something back...not a cookie, but something we could show for our hard work...maybe something like SUCCESS!!!
SUPPORT THE MAY 1st BOYCOTT
That's so unfortunate that you Anglo-americans are so enraged that a boycott will occur, if you don't really want or need illegal immigrants here why are you all so angry?????
Scary thought isn't it, that you may have to do your own yard and house work, raise your own kids, and work in unsafe working conditions that these illegal immigrants are subject to each and everday. Open your eyes people, This country was built by immigrants.
posted by Nessa at April 27, 2006 02:00 PM
FYI.....The May 1st Boycott hasn't been cancelled. I think our country has other bigger problems and concerns than the ILLEGAL-IMMIGRANTS. Like gas prices, more money for schools, our safety, and criminals. Why are all of you so called "AMERICANS" making such nasty remarks about the ILLEGAL-ALIENS. Let me remind you that the MEXICANS aren't the only ones who come to the U.S. illegally, there are CHINESE,JAPANESE,ARMENIAN,BRAZILIAN,SALVADOREAN,FRENCH,ITALIAN,PUERTO RICAN,CUBAN,AFRICAN,SPANISH,ARGENTINIAN,AUSTRALIAN, AND LOTS MORE. What we should do is remember that this country is not ours or anyone's.....have we forgotten that sooner or later we will all die! So in reality nothing on earth is practically ours. Why not help eachother instead of hating eachother. I am proud to be MEXICAN, my kids 4 are CHICANOS (MEXICAN-AMERICAN), and let me tell you all that we are here to stay!
Why are you people, ( illegal mexicans ) so against becoming legal and paying taxes?
posted by Danny at April 27, 2006 03:34 PM
To DANNY:
Let me ask YOU one question, just one.....Who said that the (correction) ILLEGAl-IMMIGRANTS (not illiegal-mexicans) are so against paying taxes and becoming legal?
Do you even watch or hear the news at all??? That is what this whole situation is about. We want a green-card and the right to live here without any fear, or the pain of leaving our children alone in this country without parents when we are deported BACK TO OUR COUNTRIES. The "MEXICANS" aren't the only illegal-immigrants in the US DANNY BOY, didn't they teach you that in school?
WHy do most people think that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes? WHy do most people think that illegal immigrants don't want to have a legal status in this country? WHy do most people see embracing our Hispanic heritage as anti-American? Be less IGNORANT and find out the reasons behind the boycotts and the protests, realize that this country is comprized of immigrants who took the land from the Native Americans. Realize that our society is dependent on all its members, realize that we all want the right to a decent life. I SUPPORT the cause and my heritage MEXICANA 100% in the US. Lets keep true to the American way and accept immigrants into OUR country, because our different heritages have created this great nation.
P.S. By the way Danny, I am not what you called an ILLEGAL-MEXICAN. I became a U.S. Citizen last year but I stand behind the illegal-immigrants because my parents were also illegal at one time and I saw how hard they worked for me and my sister. I also want my children to be proud of their Mexican heritage (even though they were born here in the U.S.)
This is something that some of you are never going to understand because sadly, IGNORANCE is still among US.
HAVE we forgotten who built the trans continental railroad?...mostly chineese and german imigrants. who built the skyscrapers of chicago and nyc?..italians and irish imigrants...who developed steel and its mass production in america?...andrew carnegi an imigrant...on whos backs did america make its tabacco and cotten industry?...afican slaves ..imigrants....this county has made its money off of cheep labor (imigrants) since it declared it's self a free nation. Imigrants today are no differnt from the italians of the 20's and the irish of the 30's or even the pilgrims of the 1500's ...they want to work so they can feed their families, they want to live with out being persectued...live and let live
posted by MYRNA at April 27, 2006 04:07 PM
That's right Myrna!. Who makes your (white people) GAP, Old Navy, FOREVER 21, and other famous brands clothes? Who packs, loads and unloads all these boxes to be sent out to the malls? I don't see any white people working in these so-called sweat shops or in warehouses breaking their backs lifting heavy boxes for minimun wage and no benefits.
What I do see is alot of white chicks standing in line waiting for the welfare office to open. Either they are getting drunk and flashing men in CANCUN MEXICO or at home old & alone with their 30 cats.
The May 1st event is on! and so is the energy of the people who work very hard to better themselves, their families and this country. Immigrant people have the LOWEST unemployent rate compared to native citizens, sometimes they don't know the language very well, but they manage to keep a job and pay into social security, who can dispute that?
Frist of all we are all Americans. People from Mexico were born in Central AMERICA, people from Brazil, Chile and so on were born in South AMERICA. People need to stop being so ignorrant and arrogant. Although I am not Mexican, I stand with them in their struggle. I DO realize that without the economic help from illegal immagrants, California and most of the US would be where they are today. Just because people leave their homeland for the United States does NOT mean that they arent proud of where they are from. They come here for OPPORTUNITY that Mexico and other countries cant provide for them. NO ONE should deprive them of this. Those of you who are against immigration, just ask yourself. The fruit, vegetables, wine and other daily products that you use; whos hands picked those crops? FACE THE TRUTH! I have heard people say, that this is the AMERICAN RACE. I believe that is the wrong. We are the HUMAN RACE and we should all have the same equal opportunity no matter where we were born or where we reside.
I support the immigrant's movement because they are HUMAN beings; moms, children, dads, grandparents, walking out and asking for recognition of their person and their work. The United States can still be the greatest country in the world (in spite of the war), if we keep our good values and embrace the people who work hard and bring such great family values that our society so desperatly need. Blessings to the immigrant movement!!!
Lol, okay Rossy, Do you watch the news at all? Youre the example and definition of "Naive" Any way its stated, Illegal mexican, Illegal immigrants or whatever, you tell me what the majority of the population is thats protesting? oh yes the illegal mexicans (Im the type to elaborate thats why Im gonna say illegal mexicans) and the small percentage of what other ethnicity it may be. Have you even done any research of the people who are in mexico, germany, russia any country at the moment who want amnesty?, they are actually filing the paperwork, the LEGAL way and then they come to America, now those people have to wait even longer because we have to admit amnesty to those who crossed over illegally, who had no consideration to the legal system, what steps were to be followed, it was easier to pack up, and just cross the border, and the hell with everybody else, Let me tell you something Rossy, I work At D.E.S, Department of Economic Security and I can personally say that more than half of the people who file for assistance is illegal mexicans and no other ethnicity, thats why I say mexicans to elaborate which ethnicity Im reffering to, because if YOUVE seen the news at all, what is the majority of the race, ethinicity who are protesting? I have no problem with any ethnicity who would love to come to our country, My parents were illegal mexicans who are now legal because they did it the right way, the first time,and they agree as well, Follow the damn rules, nobody wants to kick you out, had you done it the right way, damn Im hungry, Im out!........
posted by at April 27, 2006 07:04 PM
immigrats are full of *&)!, i had a latino girlfrind and she left me for a black guy. and thats fine with me since their belong with eachother, they need to go back to africa or mexico.
im not an illegal but i really support the boycott, gas prices are up the roof, i now pay 60cents for lettuce if they leave i would have to pay triple or more heck no, come on people open your eyes and be realistic not you not me would pick strawberry for minimum wage.
To the person that wrote Rossy (Mr. D.E.S.)
I hate to break your heart, but this issue is about Racism and Civil Rights. Even if your parents came here legally, you are disliked and disapproved us as much as the rest of because YOU"RE STILL NOTHING BUT A MEXICAN in the eyes of many. Don't kid yourself sweetie. I'm guessing you're a light skinned Hispanic!
posted by linda at April 27, 2006 09:57 PM
WOW sean you're so ignorant, it's people like you that give white people a bad name...I'm Mexican 1st generation i was born a US citizen, we don't mow lawns my father is a wealthy man and he worked his ASS off to get where he is, i stand 100% behind the boycott...i don't understand why no one can see that the US is made up of immigrants.
posted by JL at April 27, 2006 10:08 PM
I personally hope they do go through with this stupid boycott. But, while your at it stay out of the emergency rooms (where illegals generally don't pay), stay out of school (they're overcrowded because of you anyways) and don't collect any government assistance. Then, we'll just see how better off we are. I want to see the totals for how much we save by not making the legitimate tax payer pay for illegals in that manner. By my calculations it will all be a wash....Start showing some respect for the taxpaying American citizen. We're tired of your attempted blackmail...it's not working and what you're really doing is alienating those who supported you in the first place...So go ahead, boycott, see where it gets you!
posted by Lisa at April 27, 2006 10:44 PM
No Linda, Mr. D.E.S is actually one of the most well informed individuals on this board, who isn't an easily led baffoon that actually does his research.
Viva American citizens and the LEGAL immigrants
who've made her what she is today. Why is it the pro-ILLLEGAL immigration crowd doesn't get the difference between legal and illegal. What makes them think they are so much better than the people who've chosen to do their paperwork properly and wait in line for citizenship or even just apply for a green card? I wonder why they don't work so hard in their own country? If Mexico is so fantastic then why don't you go back and fight for it?
Something to think about...
posted by Lisa at April 28, 2006 12:12 AM
Great! Go back than.
With all do respect people, I'm all for immigration, just not illegal immigration. WHY? Because its Illegal!
posted by syn at April 28, 2006 12:14 AM
If you want to be heard and felt, write your congress on May first. Send stamps to school with your kids on Monday and have them write letters instead of walking on freeways. If you really want to make an impression flood their offices with mail!!! As much as possible. Buy as many stamps as you can and be heard after the physical protests end!
It's 2 Am in the morning...so Imma keep my personal opinions as short as possible.
1. I do believe that everyone should immigrate here LEGALLY. Because, of course, it isn't fair that the people crossing illegally are skipping ahead.
2. I think that a FEW people have made some very idiotic decisions when they decided to fly the American flag backwards, and the Mexican flag beforehand. THOSE people should definitely go back to Mexico if they think it is so grand.
3. The U.S. designates only so many visas a year. And, on average, it takes more than 4 years to get one. MOST people in Mexico live at poverty level. The government is corrupt...and there is little protection for basic human rights, especially for dark, and indigenous Mexicans. Hopping the border for many is not only seeking opportunity, but hoping for a chance of survival.
4. Why isn't that you guys show more of the many many American flags that were flown. There was only ONE case photographed of the American flag being flown upside down. That does not represent how most immigrants feel. BUT they do have the right to love Mexico. Not Mexico as a country. Not Mexico the government. NOT Mexico the landmass. Mexico as it identifies to who they are inside...their culture. BUT they are HERE (in the UNITED STATES - God Bless- ) because they believe in democracy, and have aspirations of living out the great American dream. Even if for them it translates into getting a low-end job, getting paid minimum wage (which is many times better than Mexico), and being in the shadows.
Mexicans are here to stay (and we have been in the southwest far longer than the Anglo and German people.) We are not here for the reconquista. We don't plan on making everyone speak spanish, or having corn replace wheat as America's staple crop. We are here, like the Italians, Germans, Dutch, Irish, Polish, Jews, French, and Swedish, to bring our own cultural mix while adopting, as our own, the great American values of Hamilton, Jefforson, Adams, and Franklin.
Please don't misjudge us by choosing to represent us by the few idiots out there that have no idea what they are doing, and no respect for this amazing country. If anything know, that I am not stereotyping Americans by using the few racist idiots that haven't looked at both sides carefully, and do nothing but follow (like sheep) the serpent that is the media.
Most people on this site haven't done their research. Everything they know either comes from racist conservative talk shows or radio stations...or (for those zany racist Mexicans out there as well) an extremely liberal media.
Where the heck is logical, moderate, well-informed, America? People on both sides need to stop believing all the lies and myths that they hear, read, and watch.
-Immigrants help the economy more than they hurt it.
- they do not come here to fill up your schools and hospitals. What happens to those billions of dollars that go to Social Security but that are never claimed?
- If someone is against illegal immigration it does not mean that they are ANTI Hispanic, ANTI Latino, ANTI Mexican, or a racist. They just like laws.
-Well, unless they are the KKK or the Neo Nazis. Then watch out if you are a Mexican, you might get beaten the hell out of and even raped. Damn, I forget *terrorist* groups still exist in this country.
-Latinos, more than any other ethnicity out there, date and marry inter-racially. Don't tell us we're not ready to integrate.
-CHILDREN of immigrants and their supporters...DONT DO THE MAY 1st WALK OUT!!! Schools lose money. And, no, it's not the school losing out...IT'S YOU. That money is designater for YOUR education...the LA Unified School District is bad enough as it (and others too.)
Besides that, I support the May 1st boycotts. Our economic strenght needs to be recognized. That's it.
If you like mexico so much then go back!! for christ sake if you want to be here in the U.S then respect the laws that the country has, why don't you instead of waving mexican flags wave U.S flags?? in that way you may show to the governemt that you really apreciete to stay and contribute to the economy. But if you like "La Raza Mexicana"" the go back to that pothole and shut the f@#$k up!!
posted by Daniels at April 28, 2006 08:06 AM
I am the daughter of a mexican national. I was born in Colorado. I still believe there should not be amnesty. All other countries throw undocumented people in jail.
Argument: They do jobs nobody else will do.
Well they also make it impossible to stay in business too. Companies that only hire legal people have to compete with companies that hire illegals. I have seen where contracted jobs like any home remodeling is very competetitive. There are american citizens that have small businesses that have a hard time bidding for jobs against other contractors that hire illegals. Now tell me that is fair. A big group of hispanics will get together and do a job quickly and take less for the job. You can say capitalism at work. Yes, but now the statement that illegals are only taking jobs americans won't do is not entirely true anymore.
So that arguement does not hold.
Argument: Illegals pay taxes and make a difference for our country.
Yes I am sure some do. However, a lot of the money earned is sent back to their native land. Not all the money is pumped back into our economy. Some illegals that do have a taxpayor ID and do have taxes taken out. Yet not all illegals are doing this and paying taxes. Yet illegals are making most of all our resources (schools, roads, hospitals etc.,) at taxpayer expense. Some are making minimum wage and do not have many taxes to pay. The poor always pay less than people who earn more. Some poor pay no taxes because they make under a certain amount.
Argument is not entirely true, now is it.
Not all illegals are contributing to our soceity.
I can also say that not all americans contribute to our society either. Some would not take a job if you gave them a job.
I am against all people who are lazy and are a leech to soceity.
The problem is there are many disadvantaged people in this world. There has always been since the beginning of time.
There is no easy answer or fix to it.
I understand people want a better life. But here it seems to be an entitlement. Everyone feels they are entitled to things just because they want them.
So do we pick and choose what laws we agree with and don't. I do not agree with that one so I will break the law. I wonder what law I could break and get amnesty. We must not break the structure of law or you will have lawlessness.
In other countries, you break the law, you are sent to jail. Getting representaion? Yeah right?
There are many waiting for the rights of legalization the right way. Let's let 10 million cut in line before you. That is fair right? What about the people whoi follow and obey the laws rights?
With all these boycotts and marches we have here for rights and illegals. I have to wonder if enough of these people would stay in their own countries and fight for their rights and changes in government over there what would happen. Yet they want to come over here break the law and demand rights. With the same zeal they take for getting over the border, what if they used it to make their country better.
Frankly America does not have the resources to take care of every disadvantaged person in the world. Either we fix things now or expect hire taxes and lower standard of living for eveyone.
Enforce the law.
I have not even started about national security. We cannot just have anybody crossing our borders. Yes people are here to work. Some people are here to do harm (terrorism, crime, drugs). I suppose we can just ask eveyone why they are coming over? NOT!
We need to protect all our borders.
posted by petra at April 28, 2006 08:22 AM
Damn this country is full of ingnorant and stupid mexicans who know shit,can't even speak well their own language, I came here the legal way, I enjoy, respect and thanks the U.S for what it has given me. I dont go out waving the colombian flag and say colombia is the best, because lets face it, it has is own problems, altouhg i still remember my heritage with respect, now i feel more of a American, I pay taxes, follow all the laws, so far i have come across this mostly mexicans and central americans who i just feel sorry for them. Stupid
posted by Colombian at April 28, 2006 08:27 AM
By the way i dont support the fricking may 1st boycott, I think it should be call the may 1st mexicana boycott since almost all the bitching comes from the mexicans and some central americans but still the same what the hell.
posted by colombian at April 28, 2006 08:30 AM
Yes, a lot of the people out there are Mexican and Central American. Obviously, since they have more numbers you are going to notice them more. There are plenty of Colombians that jumped many borders -asshole- and they are out there too. Did you even pay attention to the march in New York? There were people that are descendant of Africa, the middle East, Korea, China, Japan, Dominican Republic, and South America. And at my college the people leading the march there are not Mexican, they are Chinese and Japanese American. They are representing because this doesn't only affect Mexicans, it affects all recent immigrant groups that are not from EUROPE.
I'm sure if Colombia were next to the United States instead of Mexico, it would be a whole bunch of Colombians out in the street, and not Mexicans. That goes for any Latin American country at the moment (except for Costa Rica...they know how to handle their crap and get down to business).
All my fellow Colombian friends will be part of the boycott. This has become more than an immigration issue, it has become an issue of civil rights. It doesn't matter if you say that you like Latin Americans, Asians, or Middle Easterners as long as their legal. Because, in reality, that's not how America is right now. And this is the time for all the non-western-european ethnic groups to stand up for their rights in this country. Children of parents from Iran, of parents from Mexico, of parents from Lithuania, of Parents from Chile, of parents from China, of parents from Ghana...no matter where their parents came from, they have the right to say that they American.
I am American, and on May 1st I will boycott for the rights of all those that are still treated with an inferior status.
A lot of Americans are afraid of a changing face. BUT if you really want to look at the future, the future is not Europe. Europe is a beautiful continent, with historic sites, but failing economies (except for the cases of England and the Nordic countries). It is aging. If America wants to continue to be the bright fire of democracy, it must learn to immerse itself in the other faces of the world. This is Asia and Latin America. America is successful because all the people with talent come here. Now it is our job to accept them when they come here, so that we don't lose out to China, India, and Brasil in the future. If we don't take in the world's talents. WE have no future.
I have a few comments and questions. I've spent a few years in Venezueala and have many latino friends. I suggested at work that we take a company day off of work on May 1st. You should have seen the wind leave the sails when this was presented. "This is our day..." Why can't I support reform to the current system? Why am I excluded? That seems bigotted to me. If Mexico is such a bad place...what are YOU doing to fix it? Leaving your people behind to continue to suffer? That doesn't seem fair to me. I understand the need to fix the current way things are done. Do you honestly think that giving away green cards to all the current illegals will solve the problem? I don't think so. It is rewarding them for being exactly that, illegal. Why should we reward someone that doesn't obey or respect our laws? Yes you pay taxes and contribute to Social Security, you also get free schooling, and english classes in those schools to cater to the fact that many immigrants don't speak english. This is a priviledge many from your home country's may never enjoy. Many have said that you want "Us" to see how our economy will suffer if you don't spend any money...you think the economy isn't horrible messed up as is? I live in a right to work state, what would happen if all the employers decide to just fire all those that are obviously so aggressive that they want to harm these companies that are affording them a better life? Please think before you folks post such obviously hate filled messages, this if for both sides. Hate will just feed a fire that will never be put out. Just bear in mind that this may backfire and get unwanted results. You are dealing with an administration that believes in firing first and asking questions later.
Best of luck with the protest, I hope both sides come out winners. I honestly hope that no violence comes of this all. We've had enough bloodshed over the last couple of years to last this nation for a long, long time.
If someone breaks into your house, what do you do?
Is there any person on this board that would let them stay?
How about if they did the dishes and mowed the lawn?
I think not.
It would not be safe, would it?
You can't do RIGHT, by doing WRONG!
Disobeying the USA's law is wrong!
Disobeying any country's law is wrong!
It's their country, not yours.
The USA already brings in more LEGAL immigrants than all other countries in the world … combined! Over 1 Million a year. There is no country in the world that freely allows unlimited numbers of infiltrators to become citizens. There is no country in the world that gives more benefits and rights to criminals such as these. There is no country in the world that spends more money to care for these people, who didn't care enough to obey that country's law.
Why then is the USA a target? Why are there DEMANDS that the USA be held to a different standard than every other country in the world? Why no boycotts of countries that felonize illegal infiltrators. Why no boycotts of countries that shot, beat, imprison, rob, rape, or murder these infiltrators?
It seems to me if the real goal was for countries to recognize human rights and open boards, then the USA should be the LAST country in the world to boycott.
Makes me think these people are just out for their own self-interest!
And the answer to the first question is:
YOU’D KICK THEM OUT! NO MATTER WHAT THE COST!
You’d have to for the security of your family.
Alright you RACIST WHITE PIECES OF SHIT! im tired of have to reading your crap. listen up and listen good. you all know you need us and are afraid of the boycott. i wished that for one day you can switch lives with one of our parents and go work under the same conditions they work in. i am an immigrant and proud of it. i came, learned the language and adopted the lifestyle you live in. but that doesnt mean that i am going to close the doors for those who are still coming. i just want you all to know that we deserve some respect for doing them jobs you all dont do....FUCKEN RACIST REDNECKS! thats right, i said it. quote me if you want. but you all are some fucken haters calling us "NOTHING BUT SOME MEXICANS"...fuck that. we are mexicans, with pride and dreams of succeeding. so stop hating and realize what is relly happening. this is just some racial bullshit. just support the boycott and shut your ass up!
-->Nothing but a Mexican, who isnt afraid of saying what others wont...
posted by {DiNgO}[1] at April 28, 2006 01:02 PM
I am mexican, I came and are here legally, ny mother, sister and husband and daughters are american citizens. The truth is this:
It cost us about $3500 a year for every illegal immigrant family, if legalized they would cost double that, check cis.org (center for immigraton studies:the high cost of cheap labor), the taxes they pay are not even a tip for all the services we as tax payers provide.
They are not all "good working people" immigrationhumancost.org (crime victims)
talks about all the atrocities that ilegal immigrants commit and get away with every year (does the name Lee Malvo ring a bell?, the DC Sniper) granted there are white people doing bad things also but they are citizens and at least there is hope of justice, with illegal immigrants they just go back to wherever they came from and escape punishment. I have been persecuted because I suggest to illegals to speak english and end I up labeled as a racist that thinks that is better than the rest or tries to be someone who is not, I even had this response for a recently made US citizen who doesn't know one iota of english. "the jobs americans won't do", my husband is a 3rd generation white american
and does windows for a living here in Nevada, try working out here at 118 degrees, we pay taxes (big time this year), a business license, business insurance, etc, but still can't afford health insurance, if there is an emergency we pay dearly (and are still paying from last year), but now a company that has illegal aliens working for them is underbidding our prices by half!, I would call ICE, but what are they going to do?, the question is whose fault it is? it is the AMERICAN CITIZENS fault, I had to force my husband to go vote last two elections (he never did before), where are the american protesters?, when will you rise and say enough is enough, and through peaceful, legal and smart ways get this problem resolved, or I will be living in another Mexico, where the few rich rule, your vote doesn't count, politicians do whatever they want, gas prices go up every week and so does everything else, and everybody sings "Nuestro Himno" (the spanish version of the star spangled banner, which in its second verse says, translated from the spanish to english says: "its stars, its stripes, the freedom, we are the same, we are brethren, in our hymn...my people is still fighting it is time to break the chains...)
What am I saying? America already looks like Mexico :(
Now after all this blogging (talk is cheap) we can all resume our lives and go watch MI:III and pretend everything is OK.
Sincerely and respectfully Carla D.
PS.I am going shopping on May the First, as a small token to my land America the beautiful!
To all you sorry asses talkin shit about mexicans?You guys are lame how sad that you need a computer to talk shit!I want to see you say that shit in our face,try it & youll see what happens to you since were all criminals anyway might as well get something out of it &do a lil ass kikin sorry ass white mothafuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!At least you dont see us mexicans in corners asking for money.YHEA we may be selling flowers or strawberrys but shit at least were working unlike these sorry ass homeless loser white pricks yousay you want to get rid of all these criminals,hey thats coolwe should start with all these white fucken perverded ass rapist&child molesters,you want to get rid of the drugdealers hey thats cool too!lets getv rid of these white fucken dope,crack head muthafukers that use the shit too. where should we deport these assholes too?I understand that there are illigals that do break the laws & dont better our country but make it worse.(Im not ignorant)But they are not all like this.people that come here to work & make a good livin are not criminals & should not be treaded like one.yes they are illigal but shit wasent everybody at some point? everybody came from somewere.the mothfucker that discovered america was an illigal too who gave his ass a green card?Oh maybey your white ass did!!! I give a shit were you work at!!!!!!!!!!! All you got to know is that were mexicanos& proud & if you dont like it you can keep on typing on your computer because I know for a fact your sorry asses cant speak up in person.If you got something to say, come & say it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VIVA LA RAZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT MEANS FUCK YOU WHITE KRACKERS BIATCH!!!! STRAIGHT OUT OF CALI (NOMATTER WHAT YOUR WRONG IM RIGHT! SHUT THE FUCK UP GET UP & DO SOMETHING!IM OUT!!!DRIANA
posted by at April 28, 2006 01:42 PM
Why is it that no one is even looking at the bigger picture? The rogue governments of these countries illegal immigrants hail from unashamedly watch these activities and don't offer any concrete initiatives with a view to obliterating the need for its people to leave. We as American people need to focus on this factor. We need to hold these governments accountable for their shortcomings (fiscal irresponsibility leading to no funds for schools/education at home, no opportunities for citizenry after a degree is achieved, lousy infrastructure which leads to compromised safety and low morale, etc..). Heck! With government like that, who would want to stay in those countries? It's time for some collective thinking and less tolerance on dealing with these corrupt, ill-conscienced foreign politicians who have no face!
posted by Paco Stanley at April 28, 2006 01:45 PM
WOW! this issue is really getting hot, it's so hot the people that don't want us are so concerned, and angry about our little boycott. As an immigrant who served in the Armed Forces and experienced discrimination, and still came on top, I find the ignorance a bit shocking. But don't worry, us immigrants will stay here to defend "your country, and serve your meals." Oh, by the way, apparently not much world history is taught around here, a good number of the "illegal immigrants" that now reside in the U.S. do so due to the political situation created by the U.S. in our native countries. My family is Central American; we would have never come here if it was not for the U.S. interventions in our homeland. Funny, as a veteran I will never be called an American.... I wonder how many of you out there complaint under the blanket of safety that we provide. And to our supporters, Ladies and Gent's, please..., do not lower yourselves and insult the people whom oppose immigration. Some immigrant just died in a battlefield ensuring their freedom of speech.
Brian
SGT U.S.A. (Former)
posted by Brian (Veteran) at April 28, 2006 01:54 PM
to all you talking shit about mexicans an illegals, stop talking behind your computer, so sad is the only way you can talk smack.
i guess you guys are afraid and starting to see that is looking the way it use be 100 of years ago, check this out ignorant racist mothafuckers if you ask me to go back to where im from i can walk my ass back, as for many of you will never make it, tell you why! cause you ain't from this motherfucker either. this is to all you talking shit MOTHERFUCKERS no matter what RACE you are, and if you wanna talk even more come holla at me PUNK BITCHES. 2645 2nd ave los angeles ca 90062
posted by CRISTIAN at April 28, 2006 02:44 PM
Let's remember we are ALL human beings, let's put aside race, color, ethnicity or whatever you want to call it. We are here as ONE. We are all affected by the changes in politics, which we influence whether we can vote or not. And STOP calling each other names. I don't think that is the best way to find a solution to such a complex issue. I believe a balance needs to be found, where all parties (illegals, legals, US Citizens and Americans - yes, everybody born in the Americas, the continent, is an American) find a common ground. I agree that many illegals need to be legalized and that our borders need to be controlled. An uncontrolled influx of immigrants eventually is going to hurt everyone living in this country. In addition, immigration laws need to be stricter and entry shouldn't be given to just anyone, but to those who deserve it. To deserve it you need to abide to the laws of this country. Also, don't generalize by saying that all immigrants are Mexicans or even Latinos, others like Chinese, Russians and Africans will be affected by these laws. Furthermore, be proud of where you come from, but also be proud of where you live now. The United States is a welcoming land and it should remain as such. Those who are just arriving need to assimilate to this culture without forgetting their original roots and still grow roots here.
I am a US Citizen of German-Irish descent. I will be part of this boycott because I believe we all deserve to be here, in this land of prosperity.
Let us not forget 9/11. We were all affected by it and we should still say: UNITED WE STAND.
posted by Amy at April 28, 2006 03:28 PM
Brian,
Thank you for serving. I too am a veteran. I served through the first Gulf War.
Thank you for the request that we all communicate in a civil manner.
Christian,
You are correct. This was your land, long ago … but not today.
Your land was also our land, long ago … but not today.
Amy,
Thank you for the civil, kind comments.
One thing I disagree with you on is the boycott. You say we need to have secure boarders. But are willing to support their total disregard to these boarders. Lets be very clear on this. The groups involved with this boycott are actively working against boarder control. Compassion for others is one thing. Leaving ours selves open to whoever wants to enter is another.
A couple things people are forgetting:
- Discrimination happens on all sides. I’ve spent much time in Mexico. Reynosa, Poza Rica, Ciudad del Carmen, and other places. By far, most people were very kind and helpful. I still have very good friends there. I was even in one person’s wedding. But I too was discriminated by some. As we all know, some things commonly happen in that country that are not common here. I believe most illegal infiltrators to the USA are treated better than legal guests in Mexico. And yes I was legal. And yes I was a guest. I was asked many times to come there. And I was very happy to visit and help out.
- It is “OUR” country! There are set, defined boarders that are universally recognized worldwide. Boarders worldwide have come and gone throughout the years. These boarders are here now weather you like it or not. Let’s not forget the history that the USA defeated the Mexican military and marched on to Mexico City and then give back the land up to Texas. It seems some people have selective memory when it comes to history. But it does not matter today. It is HISTORY.
Everyone keeps saying, "Don't come here illegally, do it the right way". To immigrate legally to the US, you pretty much have to be wealthy. A friend of mine from New Zealand applied for US citizenship "the right way" and it cost him just over $30,000.00. The people from Mexico and other countried in Central and South America that are coming here illegally are POOR! They are looking for a better life; a job, a home- so they can provide for their families. All they want is the same opportunities in this country that all other immigrants have had over the centuries. And those of you who think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, get your heads out of your a**es. EVERYTHING IS TAXED, salaries, food, water, utilities, clothes, gas,...EVERYTHING IS TAXED.
Whats with all the foul language from everybody on here?
posted by Mr. D.E.S at April 28, 2006 04:05 PM
Nobody should post their thought on here and display anger or debate issues with obscenities, nobody will really decipher what youre trying to explain, Lets start using some intellect here, and this applies to anybody who comes on here to post........
posted by Mr. D.E.S at April 28, 2006 04:12 PM
Taxes!
I can't believe so many people don't understand this. Non-citizens can get paid back State and Federal taxes from the US government. All they have to do is complete one government form, turn in the receipts, and show citizenship of another country. The only way they would not be able to get this refund is if they are working illegally, and that would only apply to income tax.
I do this when I travel to Canada. The USA does have this available. I've given the form to co-workers from other countries. Mexico does not offer this program to it's visitors.
Costs!
Regarding the cost of immigration, many companies will sponsor non-citizens with a work visa that could lead to citizenship. The process can take many years to be finalized, but it’s at no cost to the immigrant. That’s how most people legally immigrate here. If you’re truly doing jobs that Americans can’t or won’t do, the company will pay for sponsorship. If the company won’t pay, then just maybe an American can take the job.
Regardless - costs of legal immigration is no justification for law breaking
posted by mb at April 28, 2006 04:50 PM
I'm truly amazed at the number of people willing to defend this law breaking. It is a serious National Security threat! And people are coming up with excuse after excuse to justify it. This was their land 200 years ago, they pay taxes, their Government is bad, our Government works too slow, we’re all humans, etc.
These are all great reasons to help people out. But these are not reasons to leave our boarders defenseless! These are not reasons to reward criminal behavior. These are not reasons to put certain people on the fast lane to citizenship.
As stated earlier, the USA takes in more legal immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined! If we fail to stop even one person wishing harm upon us, it could destroy the USA as we know it. And then we may not be able to help any immigrants.
posted by mb at April 28, 2006 05:08 PM
Funny thing is, they did this in Mexico last month. They boycotted American companies like Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Dunkin Donuts, and McDonalds. The funny thing is, who are all of the employees? Mexicans..
posted by syn at April 28, 2006 05:26 PM
The issues of boarder defense has been used in this blog a couple of times. While I do understand the need to secure the borders, it does not scape me that "none" of the terrorist tragedies that our has experienced have come from south of the border. We are basically securing against terrorism at the wrong place. The terrorist don't walk the desert, they arrive in airplanes with student visas. They have business relationships with our government. I did not see this level of anger with the ports deal. I don't know that a fast track to citizenship is the answer, I becames a citizen while in the service and I was given no special treatment. However, a comprehensive opportunity to work legally, is a different option. The boycott will accomplish its mission in showing how the immigrants services do affect our economy, and strengthen it rather than drain it.
Brian
P.S.
My fellow sympathisers, please stop looking like fools by using derogative language. Use critical language instead.
posted by Brian at April 28, 2006 05:29 PM
WHILE YOUR SORRY ASSES ARE WASTING YOUR TIME WORRING ABOUT ILLIGALS FUCKEN BIN LADEN IS JUST HAVING MORE TIME TOO PLAN HIS ATTACKS ON AMERICA!!fOR BEING SUCH GREEDY ASS MOTHAFUCKERS HES GOING TO BOMB ON YOUR FUCKEN LAND &THEN WILL SEE WHAT YOUR GOING TO BE LEFT WITH?LETS SEE WHO YOUR GOING TO BITCH AT WHEN THIS HAPPENS?INSTEAD OFF WORRING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO JUST COME TO THIS COUNTRY TO WORK&MAKE A GOOD LIVIN YOU SHOULD FOCUS MORE ON CATCHING THIS ASSHOLE!!CAUSE AT THE END ITS MOTHAFUCERS LIKE THIS THAT YOU SHOULD BE WORRID ABOUT YOU BUNCH OF FUCKEN CRYBABIES FUCK ALL YOU WHITE MOTHAFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WE AINT GOING NOWERE!!VIVA MEXICO Y VIVA CALIFAS!!!NO MATTER WHAT. IM OUT. DRIANA FROM THE 209!!!
posted by at April 28, 2006 07:40 PM
Hey c'mon we all know this is just a diversion from the bigger issue. THIS ADMINISTRATIONS FAILURE. and we Americans like losers fall for it all the time!
Having said that the Mexicans had this land first and before them the Indians but if you don't know most Mexicans have Indian blood too; and then the FOREIGNERS came and cheated them out of their land. We all really know Americans are the real illegal immigrants, that is if you know your history...
It's funny, the ones using the foul language can't even spell it correctly. Another reason why illegal immigrants should be sent back home.
Want to be really scared? white people will be a minority in 20 yrs, you are just getting a taste of their racism and hate towards americans and in particular white people.
And for those ignorant cursing bigots (which is someone who is intolerant to others):
Ustedes son lo hijos de puta por pensar que en su ignorancia con una "huelga" van a triunfar, por eso ya no vivo en Mexico, hay muchos mexicanos ignorantes, por que no van a pedir esos mismos derechos del PRI y el PAN?, por que no se van y se manifestan alla?, por que alla los echan al vote I aqui los estupidos del govierno les dejan hacer lo que les da la regalada gana, pero sean advertidos la gente de los EU no van a aguantar tantas estupideces. Y yo soy mexicana, venida legalmente, y no una "racist white person"
Abajo con Mexico y con "Nuestro Himno", ILEGALES, ILEGALES, ILEGALES IGNORANTES!!!!!!!!!!
We are not getting scared over the rallies, but more like someone gets annoyed over a cockroach, and those get zapped!.
CD
I am white, but my grandfather immigrated to this country - legally - 70 years ago. He came from Europe but back in the those days was treated with the same distrust and hatred that is being given to immigrants today. During WWII, he was not interred (like the Japanese) but followed, ridiculed, harrassed, and given a curfew to live by.
Since my mother was born, she knew her father wanted all his children to speak English first, and Italian second because they had to learn to FUNCTION in America as normal citizens and to do that, they had to learn ENGLISH.
I'm cool with however families do things in their home, but I wouldn't dare move to a foreign country and not know the language and then expect them to cater to me. WRONG!!! That would not happen. Sooner or later, just like generations of immigrants around the world, I would be forced to assimilate and speak a common language.
I'm not as much upset with the language thing (really couldn't care less), but what I'm most peeved about is that at these rallies, protesters are waving flags from other countries. You want to be in America, fly the right flag. If the other flag is more important to you, then go live there. My grandfather faithfully flew a flag every day until the day he died.
My point is..........take the flag with you, idiots!!!!!!!! You're not going to make any friends by not flying the flag. Don't be stupid and you'll get what you want.
You're actually saying that leaving the boarder wide open is not a security threat?
Of course security on all fronts must be improved. The land borders are a huge part of that. Security on other fronts has been increased since 9/11. Why should the land borders be different?
Also, this boycott is not only to show the service provided by those who may be here illegally. It is also an organized event by groups who are actively working against secure borders. Check into it. You may want to boycott for the good of these people. But these groups are working against securing our borders.
That will hurt all of us in the long run.
posted by mb at April 28, 2006 08:45 PM
Brian,
I also wanted to thank you for presenting yourself civily. Thank you.
posted by mb at April 28, 2006 08:49 PM
MB, I can appreciate the perceived threat by leaving the borders wide open; however, there are no significant targest near the U.S. Mexico borders. Had there been targets in this area, the unfortunate events during 9/11 would have taken place around these areas. None of the terrorists were actually illegally in this country. All were able to travel at their pleasure. Not only that they were able to attend pilot trainig, no illegal alien from this side of the border has been shown to have these patterns of behavior, and actions. Other treats have been identified, however, they were identified at the Canada, U.S. border. No wall will protect us from terrorism. The war on terror is a different kind of operation. This operation deals with people that cannot be defeated until their spirit is defeated. Remember a secured border cannot be defined by the walls that surround it, but by the ability to manage the traffic in it.
posted by Brian at April 28, 2006 10:38 PM
Brian,
OK. Now I understand. No threat at all leaving the borders wide open. Since the 9/11 terrorists didn't come that way, there's no chance of anyone else coming that way. Drug dealers and gang members certainly don't come straight across the southern border. They likely fly in from Canada. And because there are no major targets within walking distance for the border ... we're all safe! They may have enough money for a dirty nuke, but how would they get a car. Plus we stop a good 20% of the vehicle's coming across the Southern border ... no chance of anyone wishing harm upon up making their way through. I've been driven across the Texas/Mexico border some 9 or 10 times. Never once have I been stopped! But I'm sure I'm the only one who was missed.
This is dangerous for both countries! Airport / customs security has been increased. The border needs to be as well. Threats and weapons to be used against us may already be in the country. But we can certainly stop anything else from getting through and securing our land borders is an important part of that. You suggest that this is a different type of war and no wall will protect us. I venture to guess it'll help. And if you honestly believed the words you just wrote, you wouldn't lock you door at night. That lock won't stop someone from getting in, but it'll certainly help.
Brian I thank you for your time, but could not disagree with you more. We must secure our borders for everyone's safety. Just because a threat hasn't come from the Southern border does not mean one wont.
Also, the idea of rewarding law breakers promotes more of the same. There is no reason these people should be given citizenship and benefits ahead of people who earned as you did.
And lastly, by participating in the boycott, you are supporting groups who are actively working again national security. You are rewarding criminal behavior. And you are protesting for "open immigration" to the country that takes in more immigrants (legally) than all other countries combined. That just doesn't make much since now does it?
Brian, sleep well with your front door wide open. I feel safer with mine locked shut.
posted by mb at April 28, 2006 11:55 PM
To all you illegal aliens, and that is what you are, illegal aliens not immigrants. Immigrants follow our laws and customs and come into this country the proper way. So go ahead and boycott, I want you to boycott that way I will be able to see what companies are closing down for you to protest and I will stop buying their products. So go ahead, boycott.
Most ( I didn't say all) are jail birds, illiterate, have joined gangs, drugh addicts, drug pushers, wife beaters, child molesters, criminals, maybe one on each of their very large family works and the rest collects welfare, ssi, ssa, food stamps, free healthcare, free monetary help from our Goverment, the wives get pregnant each year to collect more welfare for each child they get Medical to pay for all doctors and all deliveries of their UGLY children, they refuse to learn the English language, they don't respect the Laws of this land, as we can see when they crossed the border illegally, they use FAKE ID's that they buy for a few dollars, such as FAKE driver's licenses, social security's and other FAKE documents, that they present when they apply for Goverment help, an illegal Alien Gets Goverment benefits, BEFORE any born American Citizen, because they are considered THE MINORITY which only means THE POOR....but how can they collect everything FREE from this Country? when some have just crossed the border including their old parents? they have abused the Legal System and broken the Law, they are violent and lawless there is no question about it, God is about to deal with each and everyone of them, because even the bible says: THE VIOLENT TAKE IT BY FORCE...and that's exactly what they are doing, illegal immigrants want this country for their own, with their idols...i.e. virgin of Guadalupe, the ugly Mexican Flag, indians with feathers, dancing to their gods...this is absolutly lawless and out of control and we let them get away with everything...because the media portrays illegals as hard workers that only want a better life, but the media should expose the other side, of their drunkeness, rioters, drug pushers, drug addicts, gang members, criminals....one of the worse gangs is a salvadorian gang called I think S-13? what are they doing here? they are a menace to society, illegal aliens should also stop having those ugly children, because they are truly ugly and not well behave when they go to the stores shopping, it's a shame that we have let this 'characters' take over our Nation
...and no I am not a racist...but just look at the Irish for example, they work, pay taxes, behave and had learn to speak English
I say ship them all back and let their Presidents/Dictators take care of their own, Vicente Fox should create jobs, housing, healthcare for them upon their arrival, no we don't have to pay the bill for the lazy, ignorant illiterate Illegals....is not our responsability...or our burden
May God help us to get rid of these type of people!
This is exactly what they think of us I dare you to click:
hello everyone i have read what everyone here wrote iam american .born here and my family is cuban now i want to clarify cubans do not come in illegal and either do puerto rican .take them out of the equation ./alright lets see here iam hispanic this much i am but this is what i think of mexican /they do the jobs noone else would do and for less by all means if u want to see ur sister or family memeber that have works so hard to get an edducation .cleaning school toilets and digging holes ....well by all means let them go we dont need them right .shit we the americans can work in the fields picking fruit and hurting our hands .my point is this country since the beggining of time .has been of the emigrants .we somehow or another has had an ancestor imigrant .unless all u people are indians u are of immigrants decend .u all came here for the same thing this mexicans as we want to call them did .the dam american dream .instead there is no american dream for them .u should see how the majority lives the work like ants .drink there lives away from the stress do drugs to keep going .and live in the worse housing and still come back kicking .some of these kids do better then the us the american kids did and do in our school .because all the they want is what every person back in our american history books wanted when they came here and took over .ask ur self what iam oh iam american ,no u are not .the only american native was the indian .........everyone else came illegal whether u did or u parents or ur parents parents at what point or another usa grew due to ur ancecetors coming in here .again let them go and we will do there jobs we will dig the holes diliver the pizza construct in the hot ass sun for less then min wage ....i really iam dieing to see that ....because when it happens u so called american now remember i was born here of cuban decent never had anyone in my family line come illegal .so iam not picking sides iam just seeing the facts .that we will be left cleaning the toilets they leave behind .the hole they no longer dig ....and the biggest one taking care of the american born kids they leave behind ........
I just don't understand how come that you (and all of you are immigrants, unless you are a native-american) are against of more people coming to this country and have the same opportunity that you, your parents or grandparents were looking for when they first came here.
For those of you, who are specially aganist immigration from people from Mexico. How about if you go to do some research and find out about where this people came from.
History tells that the ancestor land for many Mexicans (history refers to them as Aztecs)were Utah.
Texas, California, Arizona and some other states belonged to Mexico.
That was Mexican Land and now my question is
Who are the immigrants?
how dare you insult our intelligence? We all know where we came from and our ancestors, This is what our country is made of. BUT we all did it the right way!!! We didnt get working papers and green cards for NOTHING.. we waited till we got them, then we worked our fingers til they bled to make a living. YOU should be proud for being here in the 1st place and not FIGHT the ppl in this country. You think once u become citizens that you will be digging streets? mowing lawns? NO.. you will whine like everyone else or go on welfare and take advantage more so of this country. Face reality. You will march with the mexican flag???? you will protest in spanish?? learn english, speak english and march witH the american flag if you want to become AMERICAN!!!!
I better stop rambling , I could go on and on and on.. go back to mexico if you stand behind *your* people
posted by candace at April 29, 2006 10:39 AM
Yes Candace, I know (since I am mexican) of many poeple that are using all kinds of services and are here illegaly, but I have a friend that came in desperation about 12 yrs. ago illegaly with her two small children, we were talking about all this mess and she told me that she would never dream of doing the things that these people are doing and saying, she speaks english, writes it, homeschooled her children for several years (which are on the top of their class now) and married an american citizen 8 yrs ago (she did loved him), now she works with her husband and is a vital part of her community, BUT SHE IS THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN THE RULE, because I know far more people, even naturalized citizens that do not speak english, don't pay taxes, even if they are succesfull economically they are still ignorant and hate white people and anyone who speaks english (even me as a "traitor").
And to Ekk a mouse: the difference between this people and your gradpa is that he flew a flag every day of his life (I fly my American flag every day too) and these people past Mon will throw theirs in the garbage and fly their Mex flag.
Instead of watching that idiot on MI:III go see United 93, think of a bombing in starbucks or a church every week, just like in Israel or Iraq, all they need is a 100, well, in the last demostrations I seen hundreds of thusands that hate america waving their flag and DEMANDING for "their" rights, what will happen if they don't get them?, Mon is just a small show.
I normally dont post on these kinds of things, but the total and complete arrgoance of some of these illigal immigrants forces me to respond.
Heres some food for thought, America is roughly 250 yrs old in that time, Americans have built up the most powerful country in the world. Not only are we the most powerful, but we belive in freedom, free speech, free religion, etc. No other country in the history of the world has ever been this Great..
Now lets look at mexico.. in all the time that mexico has been around what have they accomplished? poverty.. corrupt governtment, .. trash etc.
Now we have mexican's/illigals saying that without them america could not function... They are saying
that they are doing jobs american wont do..
Well I would just like to point out that they are doing the jobs that our youth did 20-40 years ago.
Mowing lawns, waitering in restruents, building roads, these are all things that americans did before their was such a problem with illigals. They are stealing the jobs away from Americans, by accepting low wages etc.
The fact that some illigals think that the United States, the most powerful country in the world that
grew this way without them, really needs them here.. almost makes me sick.
And to set the facts straight, I have NO problem with immigrants comeing to this country legally, but when people sneak in under our noses, cheat the system then make arrgant comments about how we need them...*shudders* makes me sick..
MB, you make a great deal of relevan points regarding border security. I point in the previous postin was to say our borders should not be secured. Not at all; however, equating the illegal immigration to terrorists attacks does not match. While there is the possiblity of terrorist entering the country as south of the border, it has not happened yet. Why? because they don't need to, they have access to enter our country legally. Building a wall won't make us any safer, unless we also close all ports of entry. In all my travels I have only been stopped once in an airport. I have never been inspected. Actually I have been inspected once, when I was flying in official military business, and I presented my military ID. And that was in Arizona... Our foreign policy is our best defense against terrorist attacks. Avoiding distabilizing foreign governments in the name of U.S. interests is our best defesen against illegall immigration. But do not mixed them, they are not the same issue. In fact, if the U.S. had not distabilized Central American governments in since the 50's, you would probably have almost no Central American People here. MB, this is a cause and effect issue.
I would also like to thank you for your insightful arguments and civil behavior. Although we disagree we can present our issues in a respectful manner. I must now prepare for the boycott, L.A. is sort of complicated to be here and not consume.
Best wishes,
Brian
PS
Please do answer I'm enjoying the debate.
posted by Brian at April 29, 2006 04:51 PM
MB, second sentence should be "My point in the previous posting was "not" to say our borders should "not" be secured."
Brian
posted by Brian at April 29, 2006 04:54 PM
Are they also going to boycott WIC offices? The mexican illegals should give up Medi-Cal and pay for their baby's delivery. They should pay for their own milk and give up WIC couchers. They should not send their kids to public schools for a whole year so we save money and they should learn that city parking lots are not RESTROOMS!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by ProudAmerican at April 29, 2006 06:39 PM
Please copy and paste this link above into the 'address' line:
http://www.WeHateGringos.com
...and see their violent behavior, these illegal immigrants, are violent, they are mostly from Mexico, but also El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Colombia, Argentina and all part of Central and South America
They are under the blind misconception that California, Texas, Arizona and many other States belong to them, what a lie from the pits of hell, so they think that they own this land and want to turn it into a Nation full of ignorant, illiterate WILD INDIANS
The truth of the matter is, if you want to see the truth about these violent illegals, just stop at any Social Services 0ffice or Social Security office, they look like they just crossed the border, but still they take priority to get MEDICAL, FOOD STAMPS, MONETARY COMPENSATIONS each and every month for having so many children out of wedlack, and to top it all off they bring more people here illigally, such as their old parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends to get into the FREE system mostly for them, because if you are an American Born Citizen, you take second place, they are a priority, the system encourage them to have more children and to bring more illegals, not to work, but to get all the freebies they can get, and SOME are using the USA FREE money they get to build the house of their dreams to go into retirement in their ignorant Countries
They are already flying the cheap ugly Mexican flag over our beautiful American flag, and have changed the Nation A....lyrics, what a blasphemy to this Country and us American Citizens, these people are full of hate and violence as you can see by the link I provided on top of this post
Illegal Aliens are:
Drug pushers
Drug addicts
Illiterate
Jail birds
Gang members
Ignorant
Wife beaters
Drunkards
Whoremongers
Violent
Criminals
...and get their FAKE ID's in one of the best places, infested with the worse kind : McCarthur Park in Los Angeles, where the march will begin monday at 9 a.m.
Ship them all back
The fence will do no good, they will dig tunnels, at less is an electric fence
Vicente Fox should create more jobs, more housing and healthcare for all the WILD INDIAN mexicans, is his responsability and burden not ours
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
THESE people are portrayed as hard workers which they are NOT...they are all lazy, illiterate and want to impose their way of living and their ugly complicated language on us Americans
Go back to your Country and when you are there, take a bath, and drink the filfthy water, and taste the scum of your filfthiness
ENOUGH!! :(
Shame on Americans that defend this criminals that had broken our Laws by coming here illigally
all iam saying is let the once who are here stay and not have to leave tere kdis behinf then close the border so that this wont have to keep happening ,.but i mean we can just send them back because like i said u aint gonna clean the toilets or dig the holes i sure aint .also what about all the children they will leave behind whos tax payers money will that come out of your and mine ....think about it /
9-11 "We will never forget", right...americnas already did by allowing the border to this chaotic.
Who do you think funds these leaders:
Mexican drug cartels, they are a growing problem in Mexico and are more violent than you can immagine, do you think they want you to close the border?, and to say that a fence will be no better than none at all...why don't you move to a mexican getto and tear down the walls (or fence) of your new home?, let me know how it went.
Let's think about this for a second. I believe that most people are not against immigrants or immigration. As it has been stated before, everyone here is an immigrant or decendant of one. (I am sure that even the 'Native Americans' immigrated here at some point) The point is that ILLEGAL, or in other words AGAINST THE LAW, IMMIGRATION can't be tolerated. It is a blow to the American people, to the American Law, to the standards and principles we stand for (or did at some point).
Now, another topic related to this. Let's say that all the ILLEGALS (whether they are Mexican, Bulgarian, French, English, Nigerian, or whatever else) are allowed to stay and be made citizens. Well, all of the sudden all these HARD working people that WORK jobs us AMERICANS WON'T work for the WAGES employers get away paying WON'T need to work anymore. Why not? WELFARE. Just look at the welfare sucking trash (not everyone on welfare, but you have to admit MOST people on welfare fit this description) we have now. Most of the 11 million illegals will qualify and I am sure most will take advantage.
Now, I work, I work hard. I make decent money, but I sure in hell don't want to pay even more to the government to support more WELFARE SUCKERS that broke our law in the first place! Just think about it. If you stand for Illegals you are in the WRONG country and you are just plain STUPID. Here's your sign.
Linda, are you familiar with world history, and the concept of "cause and effect?" Unfortunately, some immigrants fit the list of adjectives you posted, on the same token so do so called americans. By the way, you must mean U.S. citizens, since "America" is composed of all countries begining in Canada on the north to Chile on the south. Our country is named the United States "of" America. "Of" is a preposition, meaning the United States is connected to America. America been the larger part. The U.S. been a part of "America." America comes from "Americus Vespucius" a Florentine (Italian to you) navigator, and the continent was named in his honor. Not so ignorant for an immigrant....
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 12:46 AM
First, Mexicans belong to mexico, you don't belong here in the States. Second, if you, as illegal immigrants, ask the U.S. government to do you a favor, do it smart. For example, do not intice your children to boycot school when you are trying to show that "you can make a difference too." Last, do not make your situation worse by jamming the freeway, going against the rules. If you are so powerful as claimed, Mexico perhaps is a good place to exercise your power. If you ever attempt to "make a difference," you should do it in Mexico, the poor need you.
Linda, just to answer you question above, we will not be boycotting WIC offices, or delivery rooms. We pay the same taxes you pay, except we tend to unfortunately be too scared to claim an income tax return. So, as tax payers, we will continue to utilize the basic services provide by our taxes, that including everyone on this blog. I know it is a disappointment, and since immigrants legal or illegal (by the way illegal immigrants are not eligeble for TANF)are not the majority of the TANF (Welfare to you) receipients, we'll continue to use our Human Service Delivery System. Good day to you....
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 12:56 AM
Jason, what makes you think these illegal immigrans come from Mexico? May be you should wake up. I know a good cup of Colombian Java could help.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 12:59 AM
I find it interesting that in mexico if you are cought in their counrty illegally it is considered a felony. On top of that you will be deported and or jailed.. In addition to this if you are cought aiding a illigal immergant into mexico you are eligible for jail time, and or heavy fines..
Now we have illigal immigrants predominently from mexico comeing into the United States and saying that our immirgation laws are inhumane.. people breaking our laws then demanding that we change them...
I say we adopt the immirgation laws of the mexican people of mexico.. That ought to solve a lot of problems
posted by Matt at April 30, 2006 02:44 AM
Wow i read this whole thing! Well i agreed with some things and disagreed with others. Im only 16 & still in high school. I participated in our schools walk out, and then again in a march in our city & i will definately participate for the boycott on MAY 1ST. My dad came here illegaly, he didnt have time to waste on the paperwork and wait years to finally get residence. Life doesnt stop for anything and thats why so many immigrants rather cross here with out papers then to wait while their families start starving to death. I live in a town where ag is more important than any other industry so trust me when i say i know how hard illegal immigrants work. These people are my neighbors, they do more for this country than me a U.S native. This country sends our soldiers to war to give people far away from us rights like ours, but wont give rights to people who are here already working and paying state taxes and doing so much for this country. It doesnt make sense. Do i think they should pay taxes... of course but how are they going to be able to do that whit out legalization. People are complaining how they dont pay their taxes, well then give them a green card, give them those papers that say their U.S citizens so they can pay their taxes. I also find how some U.S natives complain "oh well if i go to mexico, i will get deported" please we see thousands and thousands of U.S teenagers crossing the borders into mexico every year. yhea did you people forget about the infamous spring break?? I carried the Mexican flag during the walk out, shoot i display it proudly... does that mean im anti american?? Well guess what im not, i would give my life for this country, dang everytime i hear the star spangled banner i get chills. basically what im trying to say dont say people who are carrying other flags are anti american cuz most of them are probobly not we didnt burn the american flag in the demonstrations, but i saw other people of other ethnicities mostly white burning mexico's flag. That right there is rude and racist. That's what you guyz should be complaining about. 9/11 had nothing to do with hard working people crossing our borders. 9/11 was caused by U.S citizens who didn't do their jobs right (fbi, cia). Dont compare them to terrorists, its like trying to compare a dog to an elephant, their both animals but other than that they have nothing in common. Im MEXICAN-AMERICAN. I'll never forget where my roots come from. These undocumented workers struggle everyday for the AMERICAN DREAM. Something most u.s citizens were handed to. Thats why i want to help to give rights to those who do a lot for this country. Thats why i know one day when my kid has their history book and these walk outs and marches are in there i can say i participated in that. Hopefully the outcome will be rights for undocumented immigrants
What part do you not understand about illegal immigrants? please copy and paste the link provided and see them as they really are with guns and in gangs
NO the majority don't work, they collect welfare, food from the WIC program and so much more
JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FEW PICTURES PLEASE:
http://denver.craigslist.org/rnr/155062676.html
If the link doesn't work, copy and paste above into the 'address' line
The Boycott planned is not to support IMMIGRANTS in general, it is to support ILLEGAL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.
Bottom line: On May 1st, if you don't go to work and go to the rallies or whatever and put on a white t-shirt, then that means you support people who enter into our country illegally, which means, they came here without permission. You will be supporting the street gang members, the drug smugglers, the murderers, the rapists, the junkies, the child molesters, and all of the other scumbags who have crossed our border without permission because they are not permitted to enter our nation legally.
You can support immigrants who come here legally, most of us do, but on May 1st, that is a day that is for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, they day when criminals are going to march on our city streets and demand the rights they don't deserve.
How can they pay taxes...THEY DON'T WORK! they get all FREE, from food to medicines, to housing, money, schooling, translators and a lot more
We don't need these illiterate people in our Country, hey I don't want my children to get lies in their hair from them or roaches from their houses, they are not very clean are they?
Does this sound racist? they are the most racist people in the world, they only care about their own
Hasta la vista
Au revoir or...
C'est la vie
Ciao
Sayonara
0firersen
ADIOS
Lanz, wher do you get your statistics? Do you even know what a statistic is. You mean to tell me 5 pictures are capable of describing several groups of peole? Do you even kow what you saw in the pictures? Your ignorance really amazes me. You also don't understand the cause and effect concept. Let me explain it to you. Action "A" intended to create result "B" also creates result "C,D, and F." While you blame illegal immigrants for all of our problems, you forget illegal aliens do not qualify for "pubic services." The only publi service they qualify for is "emergency medical." It appears as if you have not researched this issue at all. Maybe getting a couple of pictures would help.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 09:54 AM
Donald, do you have a job? If you do I assume you pay what is called FICA, Disability, and so on. FICA is you social security tax, illegal aliens pay for that because "DOL (department of labor) requires employers to deduct the required taxes. Illegal aliens pay these taxes. The employers do withold these taxes, they may just go to a fake account, or a real account that is now receiving multiple sources of income. So, they don't ge the medicines for free. Our elderly do, since you (assuming your are under 65) and I will probably not have Social Security benefits by the time we retire.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 10:00 AM
Vero Rangel,
You seem to have much pride in your Mexican heritage, but little in your American heritage. So it's rather simple ... go to Mexico. If our laws aren't good enough for you and your family to respect, then why did you come here. You work hard, so therefore you deserve to be here? I work hard too. I've worked as well, but Mexico has not given me anything. I work for an international company and was asked many times to visit Mexico and show them a new technology. As stated in previous posts, I was very happy to do so. Yet while there, I had no rights. I could not own land. I had to have a work permit. I could only stay as long as I was needed. While there, I was also robbed (fairly common there). The local police had to be bribed to let me work. The transit police had to be bribed to let our equipment travel. Land owners showed up with knives and guns and made us pay to travel on there land, even though the law allows us to. We had to pay a local "union" to protect us. If we didn't pay them, they would've robbed us. The "union" for the neiboring town also paid us a visit and we had to bribe them as well. We also had to bribe the government to do the work. And last but not least, I had every legal right to be and work there, I was asked to help them out, I had all the correct paperwork, but the government there also wanted a bribe to let me leave the country.
And you are protesting again the USA. You are complaining that OUR laws aren't good enough for YOU. I've been here and there. I know many illegals on this side. Many very good people. But being good and working hard does not justify illegal activity. You say you pay taxes, so you should be the same. Well - isn't it up to the USA to decide that? And you know as well as I do that many DO NOT pay taxes. As I stated eariler, the USA government will pay that money back.
ANAD YOU ARE NOT A MEXICAN-AMERICAN! There is no such thing! The USA does not allow dual citizenship. Part of becoming an American is renouncing all other ties. There are only American's and others. You need to pick a side.
I think you and your family are out for your own self-interests. If you were truely protesting for "open immigration" the USA would be the last country you'd protest against.
Have you checked into the groups organizing this event? Have you looked at their websites and seen what they are activily supporting?
I understand you are only 16. I understand your family members are good, hard working people. I hope they do become citizens the legal way. I also hope you do a little more research on what this protest is all about. It's not only about giving these criminals rights that take people following the laws years and years to get. It's also about leaving the borders wide open. This is a huge security threat to everyone here! The USA takes in more legal immigrants every than the rest of the world combined. The USA gives more money as aid to other countrys than anyone else. If we are hit because of open borders, we won't be able to help the rest of the world.
And that's what you are protesting for!
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 10:49 AM
Brian,
My friend, why do you refuse to face the facts? You imply that no wrong doers come here illegally. Come on. First of all, ALL of these people are criminals!
Illegals, while 3% of the population, are 17% of the Federal prisoners. That means those coming over are 6X more likely to be "wrong doers" than the legal population.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml
California - A Latino site "bragging" that only 12.5% of California prisoners are illegals. Not something to brag about at all! http://www.voznuestra.com/PoliticalWires/_2002/_October/6
I'm sure everyone will be able to find stats that back their own views. And nobody will know the whole truth.
But the reality is if "1" bad person gets through the border, we all may pay the price.
Secure our borders for everyones safety!
These protests are actively working against that goal!
If you support these protests, you are working against National Security!
If you support these protests you are making it easier for terrorists to enter our country with weapons.
We all may pay the price because of your greed.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 11:35 AM
Hello MB, greed, what greed? I don't directly benefit from illegal aliens any more than you do. In fact in my line of work, I deny illegal immigrants services, I happen to be a social worker who specialized in workforce development. We at no time provide services to illegal aliens, and we do not profit from our services since we are non-profit. An amnesty would actually probably create a negative influx into our ability to provide services. I do not disagree to securing the borders. If you recall my other postings, I do not even agree with blanket citizenship. I just do not agree with putting illegal immigration on the same level with terrorism. And yes illegal immigrants do break the law, but that does not make them less human, or all criminals as some postings imply. I'm not against national security, heck, just like you I too wore the uniform, and swore to defend this country. We just defend from differnt angles.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 11:57 AM
If companies are fined heavly for hiring illegal workers, there will be no incentive for people to come to America illegally. Stand in line, pay your dues, learn the language, and become legal citizens.
Also, there is no such thing as a job that an American will not do.
posted by Julie at April 30, 2006 12:06 PM
Julie, there are jobs regular "Americans" will not do. I have experienced it. They say, " that job is for a mexican (meaning immigrant)." Our country has been experiencing a great deal of outsourcing, this means our job are going overseas. A big reason is our current cost of doing business in the U.S. So, we can lose jobs to illegal immigrant with a percentage of the income staying here. Or, we can loose entire industries, with all income staying abroad.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 12:14 PM
Why is it so hard to understand why Americans feel resentment to people breaking our laws?
If all the sudden the tables where reversed and 12 million americans went into mexico illegally and once their stole the jobs that "Mexicans wont do" then demanded the same rights as mexican citizens, and in addition to that flew the american flag down mexican streets, changed the mexican national anthem
to English, talked about takeing over part of mexico
and adding it to america, Refused to speak spanish, refused to give up our american culture,
and after all this decided to call mecicans racist and damand Citizenship...... Wow.. dos'ent make a lot of sense does it.
And for anyone supporting criminals, i.e. people breaking the law of the United States, .. What are you thinking? your actively supporting law breaking.. What do you want us to do, open up the borders to anyone? not check who is comeing in? while they bring in their dieseases, criminal history, drugs, etc... Give me a break, grow up and play by the book.. this is'ent mexico, we obey the laws here..
posted by Matt at April 30, 2006 12:39 PM
Brian,
Get real! I did very hard farm work growing up. I'm better for it. My nephew can't get a summer job because the illegals are willing to work under the table for below min. wage. So these farms won't hire America's youth. Our young won't learn a good work ethic and the value of a dollar. The companys, the illegals, and the government are all to blame. It's America's youth that is hurting because of it.
But it really doesn't matter. These people DON'T have a right to be here. They are criminals. They are taking jobs away from Americans wanting to work. If it's even just 1 job taken away, it's too many.
But the bigger picture is that we are ALL LESS SAFE because of the open borders.
Support of the boycott is support for those wishing harm upon us.
posted by at April 30, 2006 12:43 PM
Brian,
Get real! I did very hard farm work growing up. I'm better for it. My nephew can't get a summer job because the illegals are willing to work under the table for below min. wage. So these farms won't hire America's youth. Our young won't learn a good work ethic and the value of a dollar. The companys, the illegals, and the government are all to blame. It's America's youth that is hurting because of it.
But it really doesn't matter. These people DON'T have a right to be here. They are criminals. They are taking jobs away from Americans wanting to work. If it's even just 1 job taken away, it's too many.
But the bigger picture is that we are ALL LESS SAFE because of the open borders.
Support of the boycott is support for those wishing harm upon us.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 12:43 PM
Brian,
I'm sorry if I worded my statement incorrectly. The greed comment was not directed at you, but rather the illegals protesting for open borders.
The whole final paragraph was directed that way.
From previous posts I know you to be a citizen who has served. Thank you once again.
And yes it is greed! Coming here, not obeying our laws, demanding things others wait years for (if they're able to get it) sounds like greed to me.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 01:05 PM
MB, If we are less safe as you state, why is it that during all the years this has been a problem we have "NEVER" had terrorism problems from this population? We are less safe, but not due to illegal immigration. We are less safe due to our greedy international policies. Do you actually think that a country where the U.S. has interest would be able to acutally elect and keep a president that did not conform with he U.S. agenda? The only reason the U.S. has not been involved with any other country suffering from civil war is becasue we have no stake at it.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 01:14 PM
MB, correction note, thank you...
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 01:15 PM
Fair is fair! I say 20,000,000 Americans run across the border, protest in the main city streets, wave the American flag, burn the Mexican flag, and shout "F*** YOU MEXICO" to every car that passes. Wonder what whould happen then? The American's put up with it. Would the Mexicans?
posted by fair at April 30, 2006 01:19 PM
Brian,
Our airlines were thought secure until 9/11.
The USA did not realized the determination of people wishing us harm until 9/11. Just because no one has ever used the Southern border against us, does not mean they won't. It's not secure! It's wide open! It provides an opportunity for these terrorists.
How can anyone argue that leaving these borders open makes us anything but "LESS SAFE"?
We ARE less safe because of illegals entering. I've given you the links. There are people who have entered illegally and commited serious crimes while here. If ONE additional crime is commited by this group, we are less safe. If ONE of those crimes is prevented by securing our borders, it's worth it.
The international comments are not for this board. If another country wishes to wage war against us (or harm upon us), that's all the more reason to secure our borders.
posted by at April 30, 2006 01:36 PM
Brian,
Our airlines were thought secure until 9/11.
The USA did not realized the determination of people wishing us harm until 9/11. Just because no one has ever used the Southern border against us, does not mean they won't. It's not secure! It's wide open! It provides an opportunity for these terrorists.
How can anyone argue that leaving these borders open makes us anything but "LESS SAFE"?
We ARE less safe because of illegals entering. I've given you the links. There are people who have entered illegally and commited serious crimes while here. If ONE additional crime is commited by this group, we are less safe. If ONE of those crimes is prevented by securing our borders, it's worth it.
The international comments are not for this board. If another country wishes to wage war against us (or harm upon us), that's all the more reason to secure our borders.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 01:36 PM
Fair,
I think those people would be shot.
While in a bar in Mexico, I once cheered for an English soccer team playing against Mexico. That was not the smartest thing to do.
We should respect their ways.
They should respect ours.
I think that's fair.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 01:41 PM
I am Mexican, and I want to tell to all that pople who are attacking my community just because we were waving our countries' flags, saying that we are not proud of this country.
The United States of America flag, has the same colors than the English flag, and I do not thing that it is a concidence. I see pride of descendants from the English colonies. There is nothing wrong with that, but this people should be a little more considerable and stop locking for ways to attack and stereotype communities to bring up issues.
Remember the ALAMO,a few weeks later a caucasion man, who liked to drink alot and lived with indians, whooped up on an egocentric, one legged, military dictator and his european style trained army. We did it once, we can do it again.
Bush and our government need to pull their heads out of their butts. Enforce current laws and able our borders with more help and incentives to protect our borders.
Why are the illegals worried about any new laws, the current ones are not being enforced now.
So....if a Boycott of U.S. entities is going to happen on May 1st...then why don't we have a Boycott Hispanic week....stop all aid to Mexico, Shut down the Borders for a week, and All Hispanic employees and business can close for a week,,,,how would that go over. Riots in the streets are coming....Not a good situation. Think about it
This issue is not about Mexico or about Latin America. It is about immigrants. It is about humans, and migration for a better life. From the beginning of time people have migrated from place to place for food. This country was build by and for immigrant people. It is what makes it special from any other place. Wasn't it only a few hundred years ago that the English were immigrants because of the the same reason? I believe every human being should be given an opportunity if they are willing to work hard it. Haven't we all been in that same situation where we just want to be given an opprotunity to work? We all need each other one way or another.
I also believe that if you are a guest in someone else's home you should respect their rules, but ignorance and hate is not going lead us to a productive or peaceful path.
posted by israel at April 30, 2006 02:57 PM
Yeah, it is about Mexico, Latin America. I do not see the Veitnamese waving their flag above the US flag or changing the lyrics to the National Anthem. We are talking about the elephant in the room. I am not afraid to talk about it either. My family came from Switzerland because of religious persecution. My grandfather was so poor that he never got Christmas presents as a child. I say go ahead and boycott, protest and do not be suprized if there is an ugly backlash.
First, I want to talk about 2 Nazis that have a radio talk show in Los Angeles that for the last month or so have opened up their airwaves to callers who are nothing but racists as well. They are John & Ken of the John & Ken Show on AM radio station 640 KFI. Well, a couple of weeks ago they proposed to pull off a stunt where they along with other "American (White/Nazis)" would have a car wash at some shopping plaza in Riverside, California for a day, just to prove that "they" will do any job illegal immigrants do.
Well, "okay" I say. But let's see these RACISTS wash cars for tips only. And, let me see them do it everyday, and try to pay their rent, eating expenses (for self and family), fuel for commutes to and from work, buy clothes and school supplies for their children, etc., etc., I can go on! I want to see John & Ken, and any other racist f#!k, who share the same views as they do, go and do the work immigrants do.
And then you have the mainstream media, running stories about how African-American leaders are urging the black community to join efforts with the Minutemen (the KKK, by another name) against Hispanics/Latinos, because "illegal Hispanic/Latino immigrants" are taking all the shitty jobs that black folks SHOULD be getting.
I really like how African-American leaders came forward against this ploy by the media to cause conflict between the brown people and the black people. This is one of the things I love about black people, they speak up.
Now, I am technically and legally an American by birth in this great country. My parents are Mexican who were immigrated to the U.S. legally. But their parents and other family members came to the U.S. illegally at first and then paid, and did whatever it took to be legal American citizens. It's funny how some people I know, who came into the U.S. illegally and then became a citizen are hating on these protesters now.
Anyway, my point is... this "Anti-Immigrant HH4437" was presented to create a distraction with help from the media and all powers that be, for some greater injustice that is going on behind the bigger curtain against ALL of the freedom loving people of America.
Everyone should be coming together to protest against real problems!!
Another thing...
BUT it's okay for young Hispanic/Latino immigrant men and women to join your military to go off and fight and die for your profit though, isn't it.
Everyone in the U.S. needs to WAKE UP!
posted by at April 30, 2006 04:03 PM
First, I want to talk about 2 Nazis that have a radio talk show in Los Angeles that for the last month or so have opened up their airwaves to callers who are nothing but racists as well. They are John & Ken of the John & Ken Show on AM radio station 640 KFI. Well, a couple of weeks ago they proposed to pull off a stunt where they along with other "American (White/Nazis)" would have a car wash at some shopping plaza in Riverside, California for a day, just to prove that "they" will do any job illegal immigrants do.
Well, "okay" I say. But let's see these RACISTS wash cars for tips only. And, let me see them do it everyday, and try to pay their rent, eating expenses (for self and family), fuel for commutes to and from work, buy clothes and school supplies for their children, etc., etc., I can go on! I want to see John & Ken, and any other racist f#!k, who share the same views as they do, go and do the work immigrants do.
And then you have the mainstream media, running stories about how African-American leaders are urging the black community to join efforts with the Minutemen (the KKK, by another name) against Hispanics/Latinos, because "illegal Hispanic/Latino immigrants" are taking all the shitty jobs that black folks SHOULD be getting.
I really like how African-American leaders came forward against this ploy by the media to cause conflict between the brown people and the black people. This is one of the things I love about black people, they speak up.
Now, I am technically and legally an American by birth in this great country. My parents are Mexican who were immigrated to the U.S. legally. But their parents and other family members came to the U.S. illegally at first and then paid, and did whatever it took to be legal American citizens. It's funny how some people I know, who came into the U.S. illegally and then became a citizen are hating on these protesters now.
Anyway, my point is... this "Anti-Immigrant HH4437" was presented to create a distraction with help from the media and all powers that be, for some greater injustice that is going on behind the bigger curtain against ALL of the freedom loving people of America.
Everyone should be coming together to protest against real problems!!
Another thing...
BUT it's okay for young Hispanic/Latino immigrant men and women to join your military to go off and fight and die for your profit though, isn't it.
Everyone in the U.S. needs to WAKE UP!
Drug pushers
Drug addicts
Illiterate
Jail birds
Gang members
Ignorant
Wife beaters
Drunkards
Whoremongers
Violent
Criminals
Murderers
Exploiters
Rapers
Thieves
Drunk in Cancun
Desease spreaders
Whores
not able to learn anything outside their "culture"
War Starters(they just find a weaker enemy)
etc.
etc.
etc.
I hope North Coreans find a way to build a bomb that kill only Nazi, fascist Americans, bet you wouldn't just go and invade North Corea just like that, I mean they do have Weapons of Mass Destruction, right???. Fuck you all!
MB, I do not disagree that we are less safe, or that illegal immigrants have committed serious crimes for which I believe cruel and unusaual punishment would be just appropriate. However, all of this has a begining. Illegal immigration didn't just happen. And, I am not speaking of the Mayflower, or Columbus. This is why the international comments do belong. We can see it in our current engagments. As we try to stabilize a country, the community cannot seem to get it together. This is not the first time this is happened. I cannot speak to the mexican migration, I'm not mexican. However, I did experience the Central American Migration, and he CIA involvement in our land. These international actions by the U.S. distabilized countries sending its people for greener pastures. Were would hey go? Let's protect our borders, let's be safe, but do not lay blame where it is not due. We cannot ignore that our closest allies are our neighbors, maybe if we improved our dealings with them, we would not be having this conversation.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 04:23 PM
Im back. Dang i have to laugh on the stop aid to all hispanics thing. Haha imagine how funny it would be if MEXICO stopped selling its patroleum to the U.S haha then we could all pay over $5 for gas. Yhea dont be stupid. You talk about how all these people are criminals and act like they're the only ones who go and commit crimes. Dont point the finger at one group look at the other ones. Calling latinos dirty, haha ur kid wouldnt get lice if she or he was clean to begin with. Damn so if i go out to oklahoma and visit poor white families they wont be dirty they wont have lice? I have to agree with u on one thing the translation of our anthem. I totally disagree with that, it should of stayed how it is. But cuz of one thing like that doesnt mean we should close our borders on them. Not every undocumented worker comes here to do crime. I see more hard working undocumented workers than i see undocumented workers participating in criminal activity. Honestly i think legalization of these people would help our security. We would be able to track them down like how they can track me down. If this country knows who these people are because they have papers then that adds safety. Because no matter how high u build these walls or how hard u make the laws, people will always come. What backlash are u talking about. The same shit i go thru, little white kids thinking theyre better than me just because of the color of my skin. The same shit i see at the stores white people looking at others dirty and thinking theyre better. Yhea if thats the backlash we go thru it everyday. All i have to say you guyz are saying that by enforcing the new laws that this boycott is against everything would be more safer. Complaining about tax money going down the drain cuz of undocumented workers. Well guess what there would be even more money wasted if you send them to prison. U talk about getting an education, well the children of these immigrants wouldnt be able to go to college and get a higher education. Those are the laws im against. How can we go and fight for rights of others overseas who are in terrorist activity but wont give a helping hand to those who keep our economy alive???
posted by Vero Rangel at April 30, 2006 04:37 PM
I think everyone here makes an interesting point, given whatever information their mind has been conditioned with.
Let me think like, and be a racist Anglo-American for a moment, if I may! Okay! Yes, everybody that is not originally from this country should leave!
Except for us whites! As we were here first, this country belongs to my race, we stole this country and killed many Mexicans and Native Indian tribes to take this country from them fair and square! So everyone that is here illegally should be thrown out!
Okay, the very first illegal immigrants to this land and country now known as the United States of America are those people with white skin. Because I still haven't come across that page in history where the Native Americans and or Mexicans invited the Anglos over to their land and said, "hey, come on over, and we'll give you our land-by the way, would you slay us in our sleep, that'll be cool!!"
No, I don't remember that in any history book!
But the past is the past.
Now, I would really like for the U.S. government to clamp down on and secure the borders really hard and not let anyone in to the country. But the U.S. government CAN'T do that! Because it CAN'T be done! Because it would cost too much money! Because it would require new technology and resources! And because it would take too many men and women to do the jobs that keeping a border secure require!
The U.S. doesn't have that kind of money!
It's impossible!
I can understand how the U.S. government CAN be too broke to really secure the border!
After all, in the fall of 2003 the U.S. congress gave George W. Bush $18.4 billion for the Iraq war, of which only $336 million can be traced as going towards the actual war.
And every year since then another $18 billion or so.
I'm sure a major chunk of that money has made it's way into Halliburton (Cheney) and other defense companies that fall under The Carlyle Group (Bush).
This is borrowed money that puts tax payers in debt.
Now, let me be a "Hispanic/Latino" for a moment. "I don't want Bush to clamp down on the border because I need to work here!" "There is not enough jobs in Mexico/Central America/South America/Wherever, only American companies that will pay me $160 dollars a month", "I may loose my house and land, because the economy was made bad and I had to get a loan from an American Finance company and now that company will get to keep my land if I don't pay them back every cent I borrowed plus the super high interest", "All I want to do is work, doing anything, I need to earn more than the $40 a week I would earn in Mexico/Central America/South America/Wherever", "And how will I feed my family!", "Is my family and children's future certain?"
"I know!" - "I will jump the border to the U.S.A. and go and steal that job from some American employee"
Yeah, you know how GREAT those jobs, Hispanic/Latino immigrants have pay!
Sh!t, American teenagers don't even want to work these jobs because of how shitty the pay is and how high the cost of things have gotten.
So...
Okay, you people against these poor Hispanic/Latino immigrants trying for a better life want the jobs they have?
What it is, is that the forces behind the reasons of why the U.S.'s economy is so f!'d-up want the American citizens to blame the Hispanic/Latino immigrants, and not who really is responsible for it!
I teach at a community college and I am the only gringo in the room. My students speak in Spanish and laugh afterwards to intimidate me, but hey I am bilingual too. Ha Ha. I also get pissed because they brag about their parents not being truthful and getting them free lunch at school. I work 2 jobs so that my white kids do not have to get free lunch. I keep the economy alive, from what I understand illegals send 8 billion dollars back to the motherland. That is alot of tortillas.
You are 16. You should know by now how to express your view without using those words.
Your parents should've taught you better.
They also should've taught you that breaking the law is wrong.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 05:36 PM
But, I do have one challenge to ask of Hispanic/Latino/Or whatever immigrants! And this goes for you "Mexican-Americans & Chicanos" as well!!!!
Boycotting for 1 day isn't going to do anything for you, or anyone for that matter!
You want to impress me? You really want to make the powers that be hurt?
Let me see all of you Hispanic/Latino/Or whatever immigrants boycott everything for a weekend!
Why May 1st, and not MAY 5?
Is it because you want to go out and start partying on Friday May 5th (because it's Cinco de Mayo) and go out drinking and spending money, HERE in America?
Is it because the next day you're going to drive to the market and spend all kinds of money on meat, cases of beer, potato chips, chicharrones, lemons, saladitos, tortillas, etc., to have a carne asada to celebrate the Cinco de Mayo weekend?
Pinchez beaners (I'm a Mexican so don't trip, OK my people!)!!!!!!
Because I can't think of a better way to celebrate Cinco de Mayo then by making it a weekend boycott!
May 1st, a Monday. How much money do you spend on any given Monday? Anyone? Probably close to none!
But on Fridays, you get your PAID, you don't have to spend, just cash your check go home and go to sleep. Next day Saturday just go have a nice Mexican meal or 2, "NOT AT TACO BELL", but at a nice REAL Mexican restaurant. And do the same on Sunday!
3 days companies would not see a beaner's dollar!
Can we do that?
I know I can!
I don't know how you can say that out of millions of people here illegally, none of them have committed a serious crime? You ask for stats and even when we provide stats from a latino point of view (12% of prisoners are illegals), you still defend them.
You refuse to see the truth.
These are people just as you and I are. Some good, some bad. But none of them are above the law. And ALL of them have broken it.
And NO, this is not the board for international affairs. We've taken action against many countries over the years. We wiped out Japan ... but that does NOT give them the right to disobey our laws. We wiped out Germany ... but that does NOT give them the right to disobey our laws. If we did wrong against a country then we should do what it takes to make it right, or they should what they can against us. It does not give anyone the right to disobey our laws and demand citizenship ahead of everyone else.
This board is about the protest tomorrow.
The protest supporting open borders and no way to track who or what makes it's way across. This protest works against Federal law. The protest works against public safety.
You've said a few times that there is no threat from the southern border because there have been no problems. Let me ask you something ... Has you house ever been broken into? No. Then why lock the door at night. That's what you are saying.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 05:53 PM
Cinco de Mayo is NOT a Mexician Holiday! That's a Gringo made holiday, an exucse to drink tequila. Cinco de Mayo doesn't mean squat to real Mexicans.
posted by sotelo at April 30, 2006 06:26 PM
MB, I agree this board is about our protest tomorrow, and this protest has to do with not only felony charges for illegal aliens, but also criminalizing those who help illegal aliens. So how come you keep adding national security to this issue? If national securit is part of this issue, then the matter in which is achieved, and the root-cause for this issue is probably also part of it.
posted by Brian at April 30, 2006 06:27 PM
Brian,
I think I've mentioned this on every post.
The groups organizing this event are activily working against securing the borders.
Support of this protest is support against national security.
posted by mb at April 30, 2006 07:54 PM
My questions are:
Why do blacks and hispanics always use the 'racist' word as their 0nly defense? can they think of something better? the racist word is not doing anything for you anymore, because we already know that is your only defense
Why are you such rioters about everything?
Why do hispanics have to take their whole family to the stores and let their children run like wild animals and speak so loud?
Why do they have so many children if they are so poor and collecting Welfare?
Why do they all have lies in their greasy hair?
Why do they all have roaches in their homes?
Why do they hate to get an education, unlike us Americans ?
Why do they cause a riot about everything?
Why do they twist and lie and get FAKE ID's and come into the USA illegally if they love their Country 'so much' and live just like if they were there always?
Why are they such beaners?
Why are they so lazy?
Why do the women are so filfthy, and love to gossip?
Why? Why? Why?
This is not your Country and America will do just fine without you and your culture, which is way behind, just like your third world Countries
Go back and when you think about bettering yourself and your family and have better looking children and are willing to work and not to get FREE everything, maybe we will take you back
These people will never cancel, this is their cup of tea, to be lawless, and low class
These are the type of people God hates:
Illegals
Muslims
Palestinians and others
Why? because their outside is dark but their inside is even darker, their hearts are black
These people are full of hate and are the most ungrateful people on earth, they are guided by their emotions and not by God, God doesn't like violent people
Blessed are the peacemakers because they will see God
Please know your history well, the poem on the bottom of the Statue of Liberty was written by an illegal immigrant. Racism is built solely of ignorance; I am a US citizen and have many illegal immigrants in my family, so I know they work solely for the cause of building US economy. How can you say 'Pay your taxes' if US government officials will deport anyone who confesses they are illegal in this country. Give us freedom, and we will pay our taxes if we have merely the opportunity to pay them. Yet they condemn us as felons, and we are forced to hide behind the shadows of the term 'Illegal Immigrants.'
What I don't understand is why many illegal Hispanics call whites "racist" when all they do is talk about "my people" as though a country or culture is about all about race, not national sovereignty. Its funny how reading these blogs that many, though not all the Hispanics (legal or illegal) keep saying things like "white pieces of sh**t" and crude comments like that. Don't you guys carefully read the postings? Don't you notice there are some Hispanics on this blog that don't agree with the illegal invasion either? No, you just want to focus on the whites as though they alone only are against illegal immigration. That proves that many are really more into race than the equality and freedom this country has to offer. Besides, how the hell do you know who is or isn't "white" on tihs blog anyways? For all we know, 90% of the people on here may be white, or maybe 30% are black, 25% Asian, etc. I'm a mixture of Asian, white and Cherokee. How could I get away with saying things like "my people" for pete's sake- I have no one people to have allegiance with except my fellow Americans of all creeds and colors.
Your criminal family members are here for the benefit of the US Economy???? The BENEFIT of the US economy!?!?!?!? That's hard to believe. Last time I looked, illegal infiltrators were a major drain on the US economy.
They come here against our wishes and DEMAND citizenship for "our" own good? They break our laws for "our" own good? Well, their help was not asked for! And even though "they" seem to know what's best for "us", "they" don't have any right to be here. "They" don't have any right to tell "us" what to do. "They" need to respect "our" laws and go home!
posted by at April 30, 2006 11:10 PM
I just wanted to remind those of you that are opposed to the May 1st boycott, that the majority of illegal immigrants (Latinos & non-Latinos), have risked their lives to come to this country. How many of you have put your life on the line for a better life? My husband and I were both born in this country, and yet still experience discrimination because of our skin color. If I were to post our experiences, I could write a book. So how old are the immigration issues? Time to come up with solutions! How many "Americans" really know what's going on outside of our country? How many of you really know how many people die every year trying to come to the U.S.? Many individuals that are opposed to the boycott ask why are illegal immigrants coming to this country, really ask yourselves why. How many times have you gone to bed hungry? How many of you that are opposed to the boycott have tried to raise a family on about $5 a day? Try it, it's no fun!!! What is America scared of??? Latinos are the majority in this country people! Stop turning your cheeks, cause we're not going anywhere!!! QUE VIVA LA RAZA!!
Oh yes, FYI, nobody in my family or my husband's family has ever been convicted of a felony or are criminals. On the contrary, most of us have gone to college, own our homes and contribute positively some how to our community. So those of you who are generalizing and talking all that smack, you can kiss this BIG LATINA's A**!
Rossy.....
If u are going to throw around random facts you may want to do your research... Puerto Ricans are not here illegaly..... You may want to read up on the history of the nation you so want to be a part of...
I don't understand why the Illegal immigrants don't cause their riots against their corrupted Goverments and corrupted presidents? i.e. Fox, Chavez and many others, put the pressure on them, your Countries are also rich in oil, silver, Gold and drugs
Put the pressure on President Fox to provide for you, is his responsability to take care of you, NOT Mr. Bush our President
Are you afraid to have your voices heard in Mexico or el Salvador?
I know the Law there is corrupted, but you love to gang up on us Americans, our Goverment and our President, why don't you go and gang up on your Dictators?
Illegals are so ungrateful is truly amazing!
If anybody doubts that most illegals are getting full benefits from our Goverment, I dare you to stop at any Social Security 0ffice or Social Services office for Welfare, even most of the social workers there are hispanics and only seem to want to help their own race....speaking of racism, illegals are the most racist people on the face of this earth
YES I have great respect for the hard workers, such as those that work in construction, fruit 'pickers' and other hard labor jobs, but we can count them with our fingers, the majority of 80% get FREE FOOD, FREE MEDICAL, FREE MONEY it is a fact, so get your facts straight
I think you've made the point for us. Anyone who doesn't understand why America doesn't want illegal infiltrators here, only has to read your posts.
Americans do understand what it's like in the rest of the world. We LEGALLY take in more immigrants than the rest of the world combined. We give more aid than any other country in the world. But here we have a group of people DEMANDING to be placed in the front of the line for citizenship. They come here against our wishes. They come here with no regard for our laws. They burn our flag. ... But American's are the bad guys.
You comment about the protest being for immigration rights. Is there a country that gives more to it's immigrants? If you were honest with yourself, you'd see America should be the last country to protest against. It seems you've had a great number of opportunities because of American. You forgot to say "Thank you".
I believe you have a different reason for supporting the protest. I believe those to be selfish reasons. Why else would people "for immigration rights" boycott the country that gives the most? And "que viva la raza"? I think you are the racist.
posted by mb at May 1, 2006 02:25 AM
Mrs. Hagen:
Anywhere you go, East Coast, West Coast, on TV, in the Movies and even in magazines... what do you see??? How many Latinos, Asians, Europeans, etc., do you see begging on the streets??? jobless??? drunk??? on drugs???
Can you answer that?
The answer is ZERO.
Why?
We come here to work, provide a better future for our children, buy a home, open up a business. THE AMERICAN DREAM. What makes you more of an American than ME?
Not a DAMN thing! I love my native country, and love the USA. Its the "FLAVOR" of this country what makes it so great.
You say we are lazy and collect welfare? We live in roach infested homes?
I guess IGNORANCE IS BLISS. Put your glasses on Ms. Desperate Housewife.
If all these people are so good, why did they break the law coming here?
If all these people are so good, why are the fed prisons filled with 17% illegals?
You are only fooling yourself.
I personally don't care if they are all saints.
If they want to become citizens, they have to wait in line like everyone else.
posted by mb at May 1, 2006 03:04 AM
Anyone read "Mexifornia" by Victor Davis Hansen?
Check it out.
posted by mb at May 1, 2006 03:08 AM
We can all sit here behind our computers and bash each other all we want. The truth of the matter is that change requires action. I personally will be attending one of the many boycotts in LA in opposition of HR4437. And we will do it in a civilized, respectful manner for not "all" of us are criminals or illegal for that matter.
posted by at May 1, 2006 04:23 AM
ok I don't live in the US. But if the things stated here are true, the increse in crimes, etc. etc. You may have to realize that this is not characteristical of Mexicans, Latins, whatever. This is characteristical of an irresponsible control of Immigration, and that is my friends ( or not ) in part irresponsability of the US government who haven't had any proper control of immigration for ages. Now it is also the fault of Mexican and other American countries' governments ( because America is a continent, not a country mind you... The USA ok that's a country ) of not having good conditions for their own people ( do you know Mexicans sometimes burn natural gas because the National Oil company doesn't have the means to extract it and use it, for them is better to import oil from somewhere than exploit to the most their own resources). But still I think that if the USA was a civilized country as you guys say it is, it would have solved immigration problems from long ago, but oh no, you decided it was better to pay them low salaries for jobs that "educated" americans wouldn't do, you chose to abuse them rather than live as equalls to them. you did not solve this problem when it could have been solved. I live in the Czech Republic, and I see something really similar here. Ukranians and russians among other ex-soviets are payed with shit salaries here, they come illegally and try to make a living out of it. Oh and by the way Czech Republic is fucking full of Illegal Americans. look for the news if you doubt it, last month the news said the government was thinking of making it harder for americans and british to live here. see ? czechs saw the problem and now they try to solve it. Americans and British ARE a living threat to Czech economy, its not about getting less or more money is about breaking the balance and they are breaking the balance, czechs have to be responsible with this, while they can.Now something similar is what americans should have done long time ago.... no reforms for ex-soviets though, czechs like to abuse ex-soviets just as americans did with mexicans... so what is happening today will be more like the backlash to you americans for being irresponsible with your immigration policies for long. I am trully sorry for you. by the way. Im american, my family came here to establish a bussiness when i was a kid, 6 years ago... so sorry if my english is not like perfect , i only practice with family and few friends , i speak czech most of the time... I was illegal here, blue eyes, white skin, mistreated by czechs.. etc etc. xenophobia is a human disease and i fucking hate it. so please start being civilized, i mean both of sides Immigrants and "natives". thanks. oh im 14 by the way...
posted by Andrew at May 1, 2006 05:50 AM
ok I don't live in the US. But if the things stated here are true, the increse in crimes, etc. etc. You may have to realize that this is not characteristical of Mexicans, Latins, whatever. This is characteristical of an irresponsible control of Immigration, and that is my friends ( or not ) in part irresponsability of the US government who haven't had any proper control of immigration for ages. Now it is also the fault of Mexican and other American countries' governments ( because America is a continent, not a country mind you... The USA ok that's a country ) of not having good conditions for their own people ( do you know Mexicans sometimes burn natural gas because the National Oil company doesn't have the means to extract it and use it, for them is better to import oil from somewhere than exploit to the most their own resources). But still I think that if the USA was a civilized country as you guys say it is, it would have solved immigration problems from long ago, but oh no, you decided it was better to pay them low salaries for jobs that "educated" americans wouldn't do, you chose to abuse them rather than live as equalls to them. you did not solve this problem when it could have been solved. I live in the Czech Republic, and I see something really similar here. Ukranians and russians among other ex-soviets are payed with shit salaries here, they come illegally and try to make a living out of it. Oh and by the way Czech Republic is fucking full of Illegal Americans. look for the news if you doubt it, last month the news said the government was thinking of making it harder for americans and british to live here. see ? czechs saw the problem and now they try to solve it. Americans and British ARE a living threat to Czech economy, its not about getting less or more money is about breaking the balance and they are breaking the balance, czechs have to be responsible with this, while they can.Now something similar is what americans should have done long time ago.... no reforms for ex-soviets though, czechs like to abuse ex-soviets just as americans did with mexicans... so what is happening today will be more like the backlash to you americans for being irresponsible with your immigration policies for long. I am trully sorry for you. by the way. Im american, my family came here to establish a bussiness when i was a kid, 6 years ago... so sorry if my english is not like perfect , i only practice with family and few friends , i speak czech most of the time... I was illegal here, blue eyes, white skin, mistreated by czechs.. etc etc. xenophobia is a human disease and i fucking hate it. so please start being civilized, i mean both of sides Immigrants and "natives". thanks. oh im 14 by the way...
Andrew you are 14 years old and said on your post that you can't speak english very well? but using the 'f' word in almost everyone of your sentences is perfect, so you can't speak english but you can cuz and swear in English??....hmmm absolutly ridiculous, you sound like another ungrateful immigrant !
Angie, ...lol
GOD BLESS ME AND MY IGNORANCE?
GOD doesn't bless sin, IGNORANCE or breaking the Law, sin and GOD doesn't go hand to hand, GOD is holy without sin
IGNORANCE for exposing the truth? GOD wants us to speak the truth, because the truth set captives free
The Land was given to Israel GOD's people thru Abraham, Issaac and Jacob, not to the violent, lawless palestinians...any similarities?
The violent always take it by force, it's in the book, the bestseller book
You can't debate with someone that has an education in Religion, Politics and the Law
GOD Bless America ... 0ne Nation under GOD!
The Land of the free and the brave!
What other GOD is like our GOD?
May GOD bless and prosper all that obey the Laws of this land
Illegal Immigrants have broken the Laws of this land when they crossed the border illegally! how hard is to understand this?
Just look at our flag on top of this page, it's upside down !! what a blasphemy !
...and the Mexican Flag is on top of the US FLAG?
...and the Nation Anthem is translated in Spanish now? OMG
These people are lawless ignorants they have no respect for anybody or any Country
Send them all back, send them all back
Illegal Aliens are SORRY PUPPIES!!
posted by OMG at May 1, 2006 07:00 AM
Andrew for a 14yr old you are a smart kid, you are absolutely right. The problem here is not Mexicans or any other Latino as many seem so quick to blame. If there is any one to blame it is both the US and Mexican government. Treaties such as NAFTA have only backfired as to the goal it set out to reach. The only thing that it has accomplished is the displacement of many Mexican farmers who cannot compete with American subsidized farmers. And this is just one example. So when you think of why so many Mexicans risk their lives to come to the US when others "do it the right way". It is either cross that border or die of hunger. Any solution to immigration will have to dealt with in a bilateral approach. Nor the US or Mexico can solve this problem on their own. Anyway enough talk I need to get ready for the boycott. Hope to see as many of you in the streets of LA. Once again if you plan to march do it in a peaceful, civil manner, with the American flag.
posted by Mexican-American at May 1, 2006 07:06 AM
What? I tried to explain!!since i was 8 i had education in czech, my mom is from here and i rarely speak english! my english is influenced on few books , internet and a few people now. and actually I said i was an Immigrant so your comment about me is just an excuse to expose your hatred to someone that is not me. I hate xenophobia, not you for having it... why don't you let god (yes, god, not GOD) be your cure? religion is supposed to create love in your heart not hatred. Americans also have broken the laws giving them work when it has always been illegal... and on the way they abused immigrants, slavery was abolished long ago but it seems like americans (i mean united statians (?) ) wanted to have it in their country again. remember the civil war??... now there's a backlash for both sides, immigrants have the risk of being kicked out and still be abused, and "natives" have the risk of cleaning toilets, prepare food, clean dishes, and be gardeners, now that would be aweful wouldn't it? WOULD YOU HAVE TIME TO DEFINE GOD DOING ALL OF THIS? and another thing... IS NOT illegal, to say fuck, FOR ANYONE, NO MATTER HOW OLD THEY ARE 14, 18, 21, 57, 99... FUCK!
oh i guess i have to apologize, because i don't know your beliefs in God or any of that, i was angry, didn't mean to be offend you. I just felt like your picking up on me, 14 year old and with what i want to say. I just want to make clear, i will never support xenophobia, racism or anything like them. Still I think the facts are really dramatic and is going to be bad for both sides, it had to come at some point.. i guess. I'm sorry "guess who?" (?) but i just beg you, that whatever you believe in, do it peacefully, do not judge, i have always believed that's God's job, and with that i mean God's decision on what is going to happen. thanks.
WHERE SHOULD I START? FIRST LET ME START OFF BY SAYING "BE PROUD OF BEING 100% MEXICAN" I COULD CARE LESS WHAT ALL THESE DAMN RACES PEOPLE SAY-I'M SO DAMN PROUD OF BEING A MEXICANA* I'M PROUD OF ALL MY RAZA FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL AND FOR WORKING VERY HARD IN THE U.S. I WAS BORN HERE BUT I CONSIDER MYSELF 100+% MEXICAN!!! JUST REMEMBER TO TREAT OTHERS THE WAY U WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED!!!
posted by *SHELLY GURL* at May 1, 2006 09:03 AM
American workers lose $190,000,000,000 a year due to these criminals. But that's not enough for those protesting.
I don't even see why this is an issue... they are illegal... thats against the law, and therefore, should not be tolerated. Some people that are supporting these illegal activitys are now saying to do things such as not to buy items from american based companies.. to hurt america i suppose.... which is the country they are illegaly sneaking into, so why would they want to make it worse?
If someone was to break into my house, and just start doing odd jobs, that doesnt make it fine for someone to just break in. This is very much the same situation.
I have nothing against people coming into our country for other places, but do so legally. Tons of people around the world are trying very hard to get greencards, or student visas, etc in order to come into this country from other parts of the world, and for them, this can be a very hrd task to do. This should not be ruined or made harder due to people illegaly coming in as it has thus far, they have the right to come in just as anyone else, but it should be done on a legal level.
The fact that this is even a discussion is laughable. These people are illegal, and should be treated as such, they are breaking and entering.. and even legal citezens that break or tresspass into an area of much less worth are charged with a lot more, and certainly are not even given a consideration for them to stay around if they want.
I do not think placing them in jail is a good idea since that as well takes our tax dollars to fund, and is quite expensive. Deportation is a much cheaper and quicker result. Obvisouly this as well will take tax dollars to fund, but we do need funding in order to uphold the laws, we just shouldnt be paying for illegal citezens room/food/cable/security with it in jail.
posted by mbox at May 1, 2006 09:21 AM
Just has a few more things to say after reading other sides such as letting illegal people stay due to price increases, etc. This should not be a reason to let people stay here illegaly, these prices should be adjusted to include minimum wage costs for labor, and legal citezens replaced. This would be a pretty good increase for consumer int he long run, but if this process was slowly executed with cut down on illegal aliens, the price change over time would be suddle. As well since we all are pretty aware due to even being able to post our comments online for the world to read, technology is increasing everyday. Our need for labor and low level type jobs are being ever increasingly pushed to higher standards requireing more intellegence due to the massive increase in automation over the years. With this steady rate of increase in technologyes mixed with a cutdown in illegal aliens skewing our markets, I feel the effect of this increase would be very suddle.
We should not just ignore the problem to save a few bucks, we should do what is ultimatly good for this country in the long term, not short term for the sake of money.
posted by mbox at May 1, 2006 09:53 AM
JUST REMEMBER TO TREAT OTHERS THE WAY U WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED!!! - Shelly Girl.
Your very right, I would i wouldnt want someone breaking into my house and using or even stealing my things, so therefore i dont do that as well. I would like people to respect my property, and only to come on it if they were invited, and as well, I do the same. Does this rule somehow not work with illegals? If you do something illegal, nothing should hapen, should you infact win a prize for breaking the law? I think not.
posted by mbox at May 1, 2006 10:42 AM
Cheryl,
you contradict yourself,talking abour our Lord when you have so much hatred inside....
God loves everyone, he is love...Those immigrants you talk so badly about are seen as your brothers and sisters in his eyes...
posted by at May 1, 2006 12:08 PM
FOR LINDA:
How can a person so UGLY like yourself have such a name as LINDA which in Spanish means PRETTY. Tell your parents your name should be changed to DIABLA instead. Which it means DEVIL in Spanish cause that's what you are, you are the devil.
And by the way if all illegal-immigrants are drug-pushers why does your goverment and your people allow the drugs in this country in the first place? Doesn't everything that comes in needs to get thru customs first? Why are your people selling out and allowing these illegal drugs to come in, drugs that your children will consume just for talking s**t. And they'll probably marry an ILLEGAL MEXICAN who's a woman beater. HAHAHAHAHAHA poor LINDA, (I mean DIABLA) and her MEXICAN-AMERICAN grandchildren. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
IF YOU WANT TO COME TO AMERICA AND LIVE A BETTER LIFE GOOD FOR YOU. DO IT THE RIGHT WAY OR WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BOTHER. LEARN TO READ AND WRITE ENGLISH AND HOW TO DRIVE. THEN LEARN ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND BECOME A CITIZEN AND PAY TAXES. IF YOU WANT TO CALL YOURSELVES MEXICAN-AMERICANS OR MEXICANS STAY HOME IN MEXICO IF IT IS SO GOOD THERE WHY LEAVE!
ROSSY,
OUR PEOPLE WANT YOUR PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING IF YOU CAN'T EVEN COME INTO THE COUNTRY IN A LEGAL WAY THEN EVERYTHING YOU DO AFTER COMING OVER HERE (NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT MAY BE) IS ILLEGAL BASED ON THE FACT YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!
SHELLY-GIRL,
IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE BORN AMERICAN AND ARE PROUD NOT OF YOUR BIRTH RIGHT BUT WERE YOUR PARENTS FLED FROM TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A BETTER LIFE THEN PLEASE GO FIND YOUR TRUE HOME BACK IN MEXICO -HASTA
posted by DR at May 1, 2006 12:33 PM
If you all are going to talk about god, we might as well just stop the conversation since I think we all know that really doesnt get anyone anywhere since its strickly opinion. You might as well argue about what the best color is.
posted by mbox at May 1, 2006 12:35 PM
Rossy,
nice cut down with the name calling, that will get you quite far in life I'm sure. I obivously agree that not all illegal-immigrants are drug pushers, but when approaching a obivously wrong fact, dont try to counter-act it with another obivously untrue fact.. thats no way to win, it just keeps pushing for more stupid arguments that contain real information, but only more pesonal insults, and the topic is left in the dust due to both persons overly sensative egos.
The US most certainly doesnt allow drugs in its country, and if it was as hard on people selling drugs as they were for people illegaly coming into the country, im sure we wouldnt have much of a problem to talk about now, not to mention the slack attitude for it.
posted by mbox at May 1, 2006 12:51 PM
God? He said to kill them all (including women, children and animals) because they would bring their idols, rise and take back the land, and that's exactly what happened.It happened to Rome, its happening now, history repeats itself, grace and mercy, yes for those who repent and obey God's law, Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesar's.
We are not criminals?
check immigrationshumancost.org
We help the economy?
cis.org (Center for Immigration Studies) "the High cost of Cheap labor"
Still not convinced?
See United 93. yes they did not come here illegaly, but just a few men caused so much damage, thet didn't have any high tech weapons, they looked harmless...but they weren't were they?
What if they had taken 10 more planes?
Does having 11 mil (the "official" number) illegal immigrants make you fell secure?
You can feel the hate coming through as they write in here and curse at americans, I feel it and I am a mexican, legally living here and working to become a citizen soon. God Bless America! Abajo con Guadalupe y la raza!
If you want to reply check first those websites and then reply with that forgotten little thing called:
THE TRUTH
After all the truth shall set you free.
To Brian:
My birthday is Cinco de Mayo, and it is a mexican holiday! I had to march on my birthday every year, it commemorates when the French where thrown out of Mexico in Veracruz.
To the nameless (read coward) person, check your Bible, Jesus said:"who is my mother, who is brother...but those who do the will of my Father"
, and last I checked most latin people are Catholics, which it would take me hrs. to explain are not doing the will of God, and also worship Guadalupe (IDOL). My mom almost got killed in Mexico bringing the Gospel.
Ignorant fools, go defend your LEGAL rights in Mexico.
*VIVAN LOS PRIETOS* .... is this the correct translation?
I know for a fact that 95% of illegal immigrants come here, because they know for sure they will get into the Welfare system and will get FOOD STAMPS, MEDICAL and a monthly big fat check
I hope Social Services and the Social Security offices check each and every person that is illegal and using fake ID's and stop giving them help
American Born Citizens have more rights, they have worked here all of their lifes and many are poor and need help, these characters are taking our benefits from all of us
WAKE UP AMERICA DON'T GIVE UP YOUR LAND to these violent, agressive Illegals
CHARITY BEGINGS AT HOME, OUR HOME, OUR OWN!
posted by Gretchen at May 1, 2006 02:19 PM
Thanks Carla for standing up for the truth, you are so right, as christians (not catholics, because christians don't pray to mary or dead saint statues etc.)we know who exactly our brothers and sisters are, those that love God and his Son Christ above all things and fear him, we try not to disobey his word because we know that the wages of sin is death
Most illegal immigrants are bringing their catholic religion with them and want to imposse it on us Americans, sorry but this Country my Country is based on christian values, we will never worship 'the queen of heaven' or dance in the streets dressed like wild indians with feathers and be lawless, because most of us are educated and even speak other languages without having to learn them, just because we are well read, well travel, and professsionals
...and to 'rossy' the one that called Cheryl DIABLO, you have blood in your tonge, christians belong to God, so get saved and maybe you will get some revelation from God as to who the real devils are, and who exactly are OUR brothers and sisters
No I am not talking about religion, I am talking about God and obeying Him, religion is a diferent subject, but most mexicans will not know, because they are ignorant and set on their ways
As last note I want to clarify that my brothers and sisters are those that obey the Law and are saved and love Christ, not the rioters that want to take something that is not theirs
Jesuis Le Chemin, Le Verite, Et la Vie !
Kevin
posted by Kevin at May 1, 2006 03:09 PM
People are people, and the American continent was populated by Indian people. It is the natural right to Mexican people to take the land that belonged to them. And don't forget that most of the south of the USA was mexican until it was ceeded to the US.
So, why to be racist against Mexicans? I think the racists are the people who are scared, scared from the latinos, scared from a deep old culture.
Honestly, that's so stupid!
I am behind Mexican people as most of European people are.
So Mexicans, do not feel lonely in this battle, you have other countries (European) supporting you.
CINCO DE MAYO IS NOT A HOLIDAY in Mexico... I'm not even Mexican and I know that...
Are you trying to say that when african americans were protesting agaisnt equal rights they were not doing the will of the Lord? Or when most of the us population was protesting back in the 60's they were not either? Please...what makes this protest any different? People are fighting for something they believe in...Do you think white people see you as an American?? hahahaha youre just another mexican!
I dont believe in having an open border however, we must understand that they need us just as much as we need them...we are interdependent.
what about the oklahoma city bomber?? wasn't he...WHITE?? Evil people are everywhere, in every nation and in every race...if blaming all of society's problems on mexicans make you feel better at the end of the day then go ahead and do so... WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE...
lets just agree to disagree
*oh and as a Catholic myself, I don't appreciate the nasty remarks you've made about my religion...faith is a beautiful thing, some have in and some ONLY PRETEND TO...
posted by Arabella at May 1, 2006 05:25 PM
One more thing Carla... Does knowing that somewhere down your line of ancestry there were immigrants make you feel ashamed of yourself?? America is MELTING POT...that is what makes us unique... we have a mix of EVERYTHING...you fail to also realize that there are PLENTY white people living in government housing, or use government assistance...
I think immigrants should come here legally, but for those that dont I dont see them as dirty and untrustworthy then the day after they become naturalized as a fellow american... they are human, as are we...
posted by at May 1, 2006 05:36 PM
OK, one reply regarding these two subjects:
1.Yeah, and how long did you live in Mexico?, I was born there and lived there for 17yrs. on my birthday there was no school or work:Cinco de Mayo
while at school I had to march, who should I believe you or my two lying eyes?
2.Nice religion?...tell that to God when you die see if Mary can get into heaven.
Go Lou (Dobbs)!, I don't like CNN, but he says the truth.
I just got back from shopping, I hope that's where everybody else is, the only business that I saw being hurt where the latin businesses, they were closed.
La raza: the race, in this case is the "pure" dark skinned native mexican (maybe latin) people, they are pretty nasty people, here and in Mexico, very ignorant and can be violent, la raza here claim they are the real owners of the south part of the USA (I remember from school back in Mex. somebody SOLD this land). Apparently the Dem agree with this they passed fliers with a picture of Mex and TX as one, vote them out on Nov.
The NERVE on these people... come to my country ilegally (as in "braking-in to my house) and expect to:
Live with me?...
Eat my food?....
Sleep in my bed?...
Fuck my sister?....
...and expect me to PAY, how??:
by saying: "OK, I'll do your yard work, cook for you, make your bed plant some fruit in the yard"
ALL THIS DONE BY FORCE!!!! (Nothing I asked for)
In what brain do you fit that this government that doesn't do shit about cigarret consumption, gun control and alcohol will give a cows ASS about an illegal immigrant?
**God? He said to kill them all (including women, children and animals) because they would bring their idols, rise and take back the land**
In the old testament:
When the death Angel was sent from GOD to kill all the egyptians and their children, the reason was because the Egyptians were Idol Worshipers and their children were going to be JUST LIKE THEM
Now Illegal Aliens don't change, they are bringing their idols, their culture and their religion (the catholic religion) with them and God is saying:
Deuteronomy 7:2
Make no treaty with them, do NOT give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me, to serve other gods (i.e. Virgin of Guadalupe, Virgin Mary, and all the dead saints etc.) and the Lord's anger will burn against you etc.,
His word is never returned void and God is the same yesterday, today and forever
These people (illegal Aliens) are very deceiving and come like wolves in sheeps clothing, under the pretence that all they want to do is 'work' bologna !! all they want is all the freebies from the Goverment that they can get
I know a woman that just brought her 95 year old mother, and gets $40,000 a year for taking care of her from Social Security, her and her husband get SSI each with Medical, none of the 3 speak English neither do they want to learn it, and she has the guts to tell others that her and her husband only get $836.00 each a month, when they have not worked in this Country not even a single day
I want to know their secret of getting into the American System this easy
Shame on them
Law abiding Citizen
posted by Law Abiding Citizen at May 1, 2006 07:52 PM
Speedy:
0have sex with your sister?...
want you to pay?....
Not only that but, they want you to:
Be happy about it...
Welcome uncle Nacho as a new member of the "family" also...
And eventually leave your house.
First of all your analogy is so off it is rediculous.
I am an American and I can't help but point out a few things to you:
If this country is like a house it isn't YOUR house...it is a home to all of us that live here. And the thing about sleeping in your bed and fucking your sister? What are you doing in the same bed as your sister??!! Nevermind I really don't wanna know.
Realize that a lot of the illegal immigrants are here because although YOU may not have authorized for them to work on the house SOMEONE that lives there did. And apparantly if you still live with your sister then you aren't the man of the house in the first place. (if you are that's just gross).
A lot of the immigrants that have come to this country were lured here by companies offering them jobs at a price. These contractors will charge the illegals a weekly amount to work here for bringing them to the USA. So they get payed 5.75 an hour and then have to pay for having been brought here?? Were talking thousands of dollars that they have to pay back overall.
Plus, regardless of what you guys THINK these people do pay into social security...this is money that if they did file taxes they would GET BACK because they don't make enough. (the only ones that don't pay into social security are those that have been lured here anyway and the companies don't want them to file.)
Okay, so how much money can they realistically be sending back to Mexico? You try to live off of 5.75 an hour with a car payment, rent and still send money off to your mother...it's not gonna be much. And if you are gonna bitch about them sending a little money to another country then stop buying from companies that outsource jobs because it's the same thing! Or don't take a vacation to another country because that would make you un-American. Give me a break!
Lets not bust the balls of the immigrants that came to live in our home because they were lured here and have to pay rent. And if they're fucking your sister (Speedy Gonzalez) she wasn't complaining...maybe you've got a stick up your ass about it because your sister isn't putting her fingers up there anymore.
I'm all for LEGAL immigrants and do think that the illegals should wait their turn, but we need to look at ourselves as well...the US has benefitted for a long time from the cheap labor of the immigrants. If you would stop and think about it the jobs that are being kept in the US rather than being outsourced to other coutries are being kept here because of immigrants doing the work for cheap...plus the prices for produce would quadruple if we had to do it ourselves because many of us are used to making $10.00 plus an hour and not doing a whole lot for it.
I've waited tables for 16.60 an hour (with tips at a very high end restaurant) while the bus boys (immigrants) busted the tables (as well as their asses) and made little over 5 bucks an hour doing the hard labor that I honestly wouldn't do even for 16.60 an hour. I tipped those guys out extra all the time.
Immigrants hustle their asses off and will do twice as much work for half the price... Hmmm that's (2/.5) = 4 times increase minimum in labor cost. Get it?
Carla, when did I say cinco de Mayo is not a holiday in Mexico? Actually, I don't think I have addressed any postings at you...For that matter this is irrelevant, I have not read your posting so I have no idea what you stand for. I thought about reading them, but then I realized you are blinded by religious rhetoric. So, either way you will not make sence since you'll probably hide behind the rhetoric when you see yourself challenged without an answer.
Brian
Brian
posted by Brian at May 2, 2006 12:12 PM
WENT to the march in nyc..turn out was nice. i was just disapointed not to see more hatians jamacians, polish, indians, and asians. They have large comunities in nyc and the bill affects them as well. i think everyone on this forum has forgotten that the face of the imigrant isnt just latino..it comes in all sizes and shades..the bill affects those who came with temp visas the same as those that hopped the fence or paddled their way here. the boycott and march were not just ment for the hispanic population, it was ment for the imigrant regardless of race. the movement would be much stronger if the imigrant population as a whole banded together. i am going to the march in dc on may 20th and hope to see ALL of the imigrant population represented
DR.,
Okay, so you say we should enter LEGALLY into the US, right? Fine, explain to me then how to do so, not only entering but staying here permanently to work,live,and have children.
"Explain to me then how to do so, not only entering here permanently to work, live, and have children"
Rossy,
You don't have to come here illegally or legally under the pretence that ALL you guys want is to 'work' but because you know how to work the Legal and American system to get everything free, since you are considered the MINORITY/POOR and qualify inmediately before any of us Americans
...and stay here permanently? I hope not!
...You don't have to live here either, after all Illegal Immigrants think that Mexico is a lot better! Isn't this what you guys think always?
...and have children? I hope that ends soon, why do you want to bring so many children into your world of poverty, ignorance etc.,?
Please THINK!
Put the pressure to your Leaders in your Countries, President Fox is the one that is pocketing all the money, let him build you a future
Which part of 'illegal' do you guys don't understand? is your brain that small?
The guts of changing our National Anthem into Spanish?
The guts of flying your ugly Mexican flags above our Flag
I think the Law enforcement should have security 24/7 not only at the borders, but at McCarthur Park to stop the Salvadorians from selling FAKE ID's to all illegal immigrants so they can go and apply for WELFARE AND OTHER BENEFITS THAT TRULY DON'T BELONG TO THEM
Illegal Aliens are bringing their poor spirits here and are a big deficit to the economy of the USA
Enough already!
posted by Proud American at May 2, 2006 06:07 PM
Proud American,
Okay, you have a right to give your personal opinion but that's only what it is, your own personal opinion. And let me tell you that the MEXICANS aren't the only illegal immigrants here. Why is everyone attacking us? Just because we're closer than anyone else to come in? That's unfair to us because I know that there are people from other country living here illegally and they are much better off than the MEXICANS. For example the ARMENIANS, they all live in GLENDALE California. They drive BMW's, they wear expensive clothes, they live in nice houses, but they buy food with food stamps and a big welfare check. I've been living here since I was 7 years old, I am 28 now and thank GOD I have never been on welfare because I work 2 jobs. Please, don't blame my people (MEXICANS) for any problems you might be having. I don't see how these illegal immigrants affect you in any way. Has any one of them ever hurt you or your family physically? Why do you have so much HATE towards these people?
Look I don't see Irish, Arminians, Italians, rioting in the streets
I don't see them jumping the fences by the thousands each day to come illegally to this Country
As a matter of fact Hindus won't get a Visa at less they are professionals, i.e. Doctors, Engineers etc.
The Majority of asians love to study, education is # 1 in their life and some pay for their own education, of course a few of them even paid for their education, which I don't see Illegal Mexicans doing it
I don't hate anybody, I don't have the spirit of hate as a matter of fact, but we have to expose the truth about this 'cancer' with your people, they don't seem to want to better themselves in any way, shape or form
Just take a look what they are doing with our Flag, putting it below their flag? these people that you love and defend so much have no respect and think that they are going to take this Country for their own
Do you think they looked very cute yesterday? they look low class, and bringing their small children into the march is a big NO NO, what if something happens and it turns into a riot?
Some Media channels are lying and saying that the marchs went smooth yesterday...what a lie, a policeman asked a roudy crowd to move away and their response was to trow glass bottles at the police and one was seriously injured
Uneducated people like illegal aliens have no respect for the Law and never will and their children are following their steps, look at those teens jumping over the schools fences...how do you think they were looking? nice and decent?
C'mmon give us all a break!
posted by Proud American at May 2, 2006 09:38 PM
Hey Proud American,
I see where you are coming from man, but I sure hope for your sake you stop generalizing mexicans as all being the same. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be generalized with the lowest type of people the US has to offer.
I think you do make some valid arguments, mainly about the big mistakes that were made when flying the mexican flag above the US flag or flying the US flag upside down and that should have never been done. I feel that may have been misinterpreted because Mexican is WHO I am, but American is WHAT I am. I hope you understand this, because I think this would help you see where we are coming from.
When it comes to TRANSLATING the national anthem into spanish I don't see anything wrong with that. The translation was taken directly from congress and the only reason it was translated was so that the people that don't speak english would better understand the words to the song and feel what we all feel every time we hear it.
I don't think the song was done as tastefully as it could have been done, but that's neither here nor there because after all the national anthem was originally taken from an old Drinking Song.
Now when you say that you must expose the cancer with my people or that If I like mexico so much why don't I go back...I take immediate offense. I am an American I am here legally and am a US citizen and pay my taxes (and I'm more than sure it's more than what you pay), I am very well educated and payed for my education by working hard and now have my Bachelor's in Electronical Engineering Technology and a PHD in Biomedical Engineering but just because I am proud of my heritage doesn't mean that I should go back to Mexico. Have you forgotten where you came from? As I recall everyone here is an immigrant except for the native indians, and they were mostly on the eastern side of the rockies until driven into the mountains by settlers. If you look in your history books you'll see that Mexico used to stretch all the way up to present day Oregon west of the rockies, but of course you don't learn that in public school because then that would mean that Lewis and Clark really didn't discover unchartered territory, they re-discovered Mexico and began to settle there WITHOUT PERMISSION. Hmmm...so it's okay when the US does it, but when it begins to happen to them they want to cry about it? Interesting.
I honestly don't think either side meant for it to get to this point, but since one person takes one extreme they are forcing the others to take the other extreme and at this rate we will never meet in the middle. What a shame on both sides.
I am sorry to get in the middle of Proud Mexican-Amerian and Proud American's chat here, BUT..
I can't find on Proud American's TWO posts where he said : 'Go back to Mexico' !!
1.- Our American flag was UPSIDE DOWN B-E-L-O=W the Mexican flag with an EVIL purpose
2.- The Nation Anthem was changed to spanish with an EVIL purpose
The evil purpose is that you guys ARE ALREADY THINKING OF TAKING THIS LAND OF OURS FOR YOUR OWN, so in 'good' faith, you are already thinking this land is going to be ours soon, so why not change everything to our wants and needs
Who do you really think you are fooling?
You are just like the Palestinians that want a land that is not theirs, because the land of Israel was given to the Jews by their God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not the Palestinians just like someone else mentioned above
Someone else also made a good point above:
" The violent take it by force "
As far as your education level I don't know if that is true, you can post that you are the King of England for all I know and or that you paid for your own education, I doubt that very much
As far as you saying that you pay more taxes than anybody else? you assume too much, how do you know?
Nice try translating our National Anthem into Spanish (for which I am sure you will riot some more claiming that illegal Mexicans don't understand English, so learn it)
It was a very nice try, flying our US Flag upside down, below your's, assuming that you will remove our Flag and use YOURS instead as if this land belonged to you
Keep on trying
posted by Veteran at May 3, 2006 07:29 AM
I did agree with this boycott cuz this people is important to this country, they pay taxes like any other legal people or american.The white people wont work on the countryside or mopping floors or any work bad-pay this people do those works let them alone. Working honestly is a crime, you people just see what to want. This people pay taxes and they can't have them cuz they don't have papers. Some latinos that are legal work in places like takecare of babies in miserable works and some illegals are now fighting in Irak for a country that is not even theirs.
Proud American,
First:Let me tell you that the drawing we saw on Monday with the Mexican flag above the upside down US flag doesn't mean that the Mexicans did it, isn't the cartoonist a white person?
Stop talking about that ridiculous picture because to be honest with you I have full respect towards everyone in this country legeal or illegal, and not to mention every human being.
Second:Like I said before, the only reason why they blame the MEXICANS more than any other nationality is because we are closer than anyone else to the US border. Oh and by the way, let me correct you that it isn't by the "thousands" who climb the border each day. Don't you hear the news about how many end up dead?
Rolando is a very good example of the typical mexican, uneducated, low class using fowl language on a public message board
Their boycot march last May 1st...was nothing but EXTORTION!
...and I believe in the long run is going backfire on them! :)
If any american born citizen has applied for SSI, SSA, Welfare, MISP, and or the WIC program etc., and has been denied, blame it to the illegal immigrants, they are the ones that are getting them and that have drained the Goverment assistance programs and are getting all these benefits, that's why they are jumping the fence more each day, they know they will live off us taxpayers...shame on all of them.
Of course there are a few exemptions those that work, but these you can count with your fingers
You don't believe me? stop by any Social Services or Social Security office and you will see what I mean, about 90% of Social workers are hispanics helping their own people, even if they have to go out of their way, it's called reverse descrimination.
You want to know racist people, they are the most racist, they only help their own, it is a fact!
As last note they not only translated our National Anthem in Spanish, BUT the "Spangled Banner" is called Nuestro Himno :(
Shirley
posted by Shirley at May 4, 2006 10:38 PM
I saw a 'Cinco de Mayo' Parade today in our City and it was nothing but very primitive Mexican Indians wearing Mexican customs and dancing in the streets, they were not organized, they have to stop the traffic and we were stranded in a neighborhood that is not even hispanic
My first thought, when I saw countless policemen there, was: what a waste of our taxes and we the Corporate America are paying the bill
They are surely bringing their way of living from their third world Country into the most powerful Nation in the world the USA
I don't see any decent people coming from Mexico, only illiterate, primitive indian mexicans...hmmm
Will they ever learn respect and learn to speak English?
This is sooooo ridiculous!
Don
posted by Donald at May 7, 2006 01:46 AM
Wrote this for "more on illegal aliens" but it seems no one is commenting there, besides it applies to ignorant remarks being made here.
THERE is a big misconception about why people come here. immigrants don’t leave their families and risk death crossing multiple boarders by land and sea because they want to come do menial jobs in the US. many don’t even come with the idea of staying. people risk their lives and take the degradation once here because they’re desperate. take a look at the situations that have driven people here in the past. the irish came because of famine and political opression. the russian because of communism. today it is no different, the countries people immigrate from are in turmoil… for many waiting four years for a visa isn’t an option. when they decide to risk their lives and leave their families it is an act of desperation. if the US truly wants the influx of immigrants and the amount of people that come and stay to diminish, the US needs to stop nourishing violence and turning a blind eye to exploitation. better conditions in the homelands of the immigrants would mean less immigrants. Content people don’t pick up and leave.
''People don't come here and leave their families etc., etc.,''
No comparison, European Immigrants, wait for their visas and don't come thru the Mexican border or jump a fence
Hindus have to have a title, such as Engineers or Doctors etc.
Illegal Alien Mexicans come here, and a few willing to risk everything and with work in their minds, but the rest which is a high percentage, come here because they know that they will get free healthcare, free money, free food stamps, free wic programs and free ssi and ssa for their parents and grandparents, with FAKE ID's, the newsmedia need to show the other side of illegal immigrants, the gangs, the drug pushers, drug addicts, the large ammount of illegal immigrants criminals in jails, the women that have countless children out of wedlock because they know that they will get free doctors, free hospital, free food, and more money for each child
How can a 'SENIOR illegal immigrant' get SSI or SSA, when they have never worked in this Country? it's not the illegal immigrants fault it is our Goverment's fault
Illegal immigrants are just taking advantage of this twisted system
Illegal means: against the Law!
If a child is born out of wedlock and just because the mother wanted the child to be born in the USA with free Doctors and Free hospitalization, medicines, food etc., that child should NOT even get a citizenship i.e. a US birth certificate
I would also suggest to the Goverment to CUT all financial Goverment aid...that way they don't have to be 'shipped' back to their Country at our expense, because they will leave on their own a.s.a.p.
Illegal immigrants are ungrateful, they don't want to learn the English language, they are lawless, they will not obey any Laws, they are unruly like their parents, look at the teens jumping over the school fences, it tells a lot about all of them
Ship them back, they give a bad impression and reputation to the this Country, we don't want to be primitive, this is a Country that is well known for his advancement in Culture, education and knowledge
posted by John at May 9, 2006 06:25 PM
Your comments are ridiculous about how the Europeans or indians don't need to jump the fence. If Europe or India were on the other side of the border you will not be talking about "Mexicans"( and for your information
what you are calling "Mexicans" actually are people from different countries because not only Mexicans cross the border)
I wonder who are really the illitarate and uneducated people.
There are American Indians or Mexican Indians or other types of Indians all over the world, including South and Central America
...True Silvia, not only Mexicans cross the border illegally I agree with you, also South and Central Americans, like Salvadorians as stated above
The second largest illegal immigrants are phillipino's
Asians collect all kinds of Freebies as well and get best rates on student loans, better than any American born Studen, is this fair?
This is why we Americans oppose the flow of illegal immigrants, because they are put before us, I worked all of my life to have a nice retirement and NO I don't qualify for any and I just don't understand this
I hope you see our point of view, please put yourselves in our shoes, if we were to 'invade' your Countries illegally and were the prefered bunch to get all benefits won't you be on uproar also?
Most illegal aliens DON'T pay taxes, how can they? you don't pay taxes on things that are given to you free
This story from the Washington Times clearly illustrates the need to punish employers who hire illegal aliens:
SASABE, Mexico -- A growing number of U.S. employers in need of cheap labor are turning to illegal workers to recruit friends and relatives back home, and to smugglers to find job seekers.
"It continues to become clear who controls immigration: It's not governments, but rather the market," said Jorge Santibanez, director of the Tijuana think tank Colegio de la Frontera Norte.
When Pedro Lopez Vazquez crossed illegally into the United States last week, he already had a job.
His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Mr. Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo.
"We're going to Colorado to work in carpentry because we have a friend who was going to give us a job," Mr. Vazquez said.
Mr. Vazquez, 41, was interviewed along the Arizona border after being deported twice by the U.S. Border Patrol. He said he would keep trying until he got to Aspen.
Read the rest of the article and you will see that Vazquez's case is far from being unusual.
Let's face it. If illegal aliens had no jobs to come to, they would stay put. Why would they take the risk of sneaking over if they were unsure of being able to find work?
I'm all for capitalism. But I'm not for capitalism that circumvents the law in order to save a few bucks by hiring illegal aliens who drive the wage level down for American citizens because they're desperate enough to work for peanuts. Enforce the law by not only deporting illegals immediately when caught, but throw the book at employers who offer them a job knowing they are not here legally.
Entering the country illegally is currently a misdemeanor, but aiding and abetting is a felony. Get the employers and we may have a better chance of stemming the tide.
Brian Bonner discusses Newt Gingrich's advice to Republicans on illegal immigration.
I myself am working on an interview with a good friend of mine who was once a LEGAL immigrant and is now a citizen. I hope to have it posted within a couple of days.
Lots of folks have been getting riled up about the illegal immigration protests that have been taking place within the last week. It's funny how the people who should be protesting (those who WANT reform) aren't...guess we all have to go to work or do other productive things with our time.
Fallout from the uproar includes some schools that have banned any kind of flag waving or clothing that smacks of patriotism for fear of causing unrest within their schools. Safety, they say, is their first priority.
Part of me can understand that. School administrators are indeed charged with keeping as safe an environment as possible for their students. But how far should we go? It's a sad day in our nation when children are banned from wearing the colors of our flag because we're afraid that immigrant children (illegal or otherwise) might be offended by such a blatant show of patriotism.
To quote Jerry Seinfeld: What's up with that?
It used to be that everyone who came to our country wanted to become a part of it, and were be proud to wave our flag and its colors. Unfortunately, this is not always the case, and we have the multiculturalist crowd to thank for it. By making a big deal about "cultural identity" as opposed to "American identity," we have created not a proud citizenry, but a bunch of small special interest groups who see themselves as (insert nationality here) before they see themselves as Americans...if they see themselves as Americans at all.
The Mad Pigeon is, not surprisingly, mad about this situation. As a captain in the US Air Force, he has even more reason to find this situation both repulsive and insulting. Here, he addresses Myla Shepard, principal of Shaw Heights Middle School in Colorado, one of the schools that has placed such a ban on patriotic clothing, etc.
Well, Myla... you're durned [PIGEONED] right I'm going to contact you with some questions! Just what kind of politically correct leftist institution are you running there? Did you cancel the Pledge of Allegiance, too? Take down the flag in the front? Do you even HAVE a flag pole? How about canceling classes on American History and Government since they might offend the fragile self esteem of your non-American students? Is this a convenient way to sweep an issue under the rug as to cover the students' eyes from a potentially powerful learning event?
More:
But silly me, I forget we're a reactive society. One kid gets a boo boo on the playground and asphalt gets outlawed. Heaven forbid little Bobby engages in conflict with Nancy over a flag, since conflict is bad. Despite the fact conflict leads to change, creativity, debate, enlightenment, etc. But who am I to argue? I'm just a guy who signed up to die for my country and give you the right to tear down all the symbols I cherish.
Indeed. We have come to expect that other countries are eager to paint America in a negative light. But when such negativity comes from within, and is directed at our children, what kind of message are we sending? That pride for your own country should play second fiddle to the sensibilities of others who are residing here? Some of whom, by the way, weren't even invited.
For more on illegal immigration, check out Flight Pundit.
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email me and let me know at what level you would like to participate.**
While thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters converge in major American cities waving Mexican flags and signs in Spanish, polls show the vast majority of Americans opposed to their demands.
So why don’t we protest? Why not simply show our strength and wave the American flag and signs in English?
For one thing, we’re keeping the country going. We can’t afford to lose our jobs. We are neither the elites of the alternate universes of the academy and major media, nor are we “artists” supported by tax dollars or trust funds. We are not the beneficiaries of the tax-payer supported largesse that these elites are agitating for on behalf of the illegals. We are not high school teachers who through the brainwashing of our educational system believe that participating in mob protest is a good civics lesson. As the evening news has shown, many of the protestors are jubilant, defiant school children playing hookey and getting taxpayer-funded school buses to take them back to school.
Actually, we've got a local talk radio host in Dallas - Darrell Ankarlo - who tried to organize a pro-American demonstration in response the the illegal immigrant/Mexican demonstration. But he was shut down by LULAC when they managed to get his permit revoked. They want to be able to protest in favor of ILLEGAL immigration, but want to be able to silence American citizens from standing up and having their voices heard.
As you'll see in my right sidebar, I have joined with a coalition: the Coaltion Against Illegal Immigration. The posts I create are sent to a central "clearing house," and I link posts by other members.
I'm still new to this, and so am a bit behind in my linking. Here's a listing of some of the latest postings about illegal immigration by coalition members:
Hey, thanks so much for the link! And don't feel bad about not keeping up, the e-mails from the group are coming in fast and furious...and most are furious! Nice to meet you. :)
What would you think of adding these amendments to our Constitution?
First, disallowance of immigrant participation in US political affairs. This includes a ban on participation in demonstrations and other public expression of political opinion.
Second, an "Americans first" employment policy, native born Americans having priority over foreigners for all positions in which status of citizenship is not deemed "indispensable."
Third, a ban on all immigrant or naturalized citizens' service as (a) federal elected officials, (b) members of the cabinet, or (c) justices of the Supreme Court.
Fourth, a ban on immigrant service in the clergy.
Fifth, a ban on immigrant ownership of land or aquisition of any rights to natural resources.
Sixth, authorization of private individuals to make citizen's arrests of any individuals suspected of being illegal immigrants.
Seventh, unconditional right of federal officials -- whenever they deem such action appropriate -- to deport immediately and without due process any noncitizen.
Like them? Yes? No? Don't worry, they aren't being proposed. But they ARE part and parcel of the Mexican Constitution.
And we're worrying about offending them regarding our immigration policies?
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, email me and let me know at what level you would like to participate.**
Principal Joins Student Walkout and Other Nonsense
Anything can be a learning experience. Just ask Texas' Lanier High School principal Richard Solis, who decided to join about 200 students in a walkout in protest about immigration reform.
"I don't condone it, and I'll have to correct it, but the best thing we can do is make it a teaching experience," Solis said told News Radio 1200 WOAI.
Solis said he wanted to make sure the students weren't injured and didn't get into trouble in the march.
How will his marching with them make it a teaching experience? I think it just shows them that the principal is with them in spirit.
Many of those students say their parents and family members are illegal aliens. So if their parents are forced to return to Mexico, they may have to as well.
“My whole life would change,” one student told WOAI. We’re keeping his identity secret because his parents are here illegally.
He says this protest is a way to stand up for his family.
“They told me... my sisters, my brothers.. they told us all... just walk out of school,” said the student. “All the Mexicans in this school, we'd all have to see our grandparents go back. And that's just wrong.”
What's wrong is that your family is here illegally. This entitlement mentality, especially from people who aren't even supposed to be here, is extremely galling. It's unfortunate that so many people don't seem to grasp the concept that non-citizens aren't entitled to live or work here unless they hold a green card, which they have to apply for.
Many of the students said they were unclear about the political issues involved, and were going with their friends or simply taking an opportunity to get out of class and take a walk on a nice day.
"Some of them may have just been copy cats and nothing else," explained Solis.
Some teaching experience. My faith in the public school system grows by leaps and bounds.
Immigration rights leaders unveiled the next major initiative of their movement. It's called "The Great American Boycott of 2006" and is scheduled for May 1st. Organizers are calling for those concerned about immigration rights to boycott work, school and all consumer activities on that day.
Fine, go ahead. I have a feeling this will be about as successful as the boycott of consumer meccas in order to protest our presence in Iraq.
And really: a "Great American Boycott" by non-Americans who are here illegally? Those illegals who decide not to go to work that day are only going to hurt themselves in the end, as they depend on their daily under-the-table wad o' cash.
Some are arguing that illegal immigrants are essential to our economy. Rich Lowry feels differently.
But it doesn't make intuitive sense that importing the poor of Latin America would benefit us. If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse, and impoverished Americans would be slipping south over the Rio Grande.
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Steve Camarota of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies estimates that illegal immigrants cost the federal government $10 billion a year. State and local governments lose even more. Illegals pay some taxes, but not enough to cover governmental expenses like Medicaid and treatment for the uninsured.
According to Camarota, if illegal immigrants were legalized, their net annual cost to the federal government would only increase, tripling to $30 billion a year. Immigrant workers don't earn enough to pay much in taxes, while they qualify for all sorts of governmental assistance. As they become legal, they will get even more assistance - the benefits that they get from the Earned Income Tax Credit, for instance, would increase by a factor of 10.
Think Principal Solis will present the above information to his students?
Sorry for the light posting of late...I have unexpected (yet long-term) guests camping out in my basement, where my computer is located. I haven't had a chance to move it to the family room yet...maybe over the weekend!
OK, so let's talk immigration. Mary Grabar, who immigrated to this country from Slovenia in 1959 at the age of two, has a few things to say about those who are now protesting in the streets regarding their "rights." (I am highlighting certain passages of the article; for the entire piece, click here.)
I sometimes tell people that I am an immigrant. They are surprised because I don’t have an accent (I came here as a two-year-old). I hold a Ph.D. in English. But as an immigrant, I did not have access to any of the special grants and scholarships available to those who look different from the American of European descent. I have witnessed the imposition of “multicultural” curriculums that have dealt only with cultures of those of different hues of skin tone: to put it crudely, the red (Native American), yellow (Asian), black (African-American) and (brown) Hispanics. Multiculturalism does not include Eastern European cultures.
Sadly, this is true. Grabar discusses how no one translated signs or government documents into Slovenian or other languages from Europe. Those immigrants got on as best they could, learning the language and getting help from their children who attended American schools.
I grew up listening to high school teachers tell me how “privileged” I was simply because I was white. These were the teachers whose mothers had probably hired those like my mother to clean their houses. As a little girl, I accompanied my mother on her housecleaning jobs. When she went to work at the clothing factory, I was left to clean her house and take on her duties. I cleaned neighbors’ houses before I was legally old enough to get a minimum wage job. I have also worked in the vineyards of upstate New York and in a variety of restaurants and bars. These are the types of jobs that apologists for illegal immigrants claim others won’t do.
The people who claim Americans won't do certain jobs don't do them either. It's easier to say such a thing when one's own job is not in danger. Thomas Sowell said it best: If Mexican journalists were flooding into the United States and taking jobs as reporters and editors at half the pay being earned by American reporters and editors, maybe people in the media would understand why the argument about "taking jobs that Americans don't want" is such nonsense.
Back to Grabar:
In the three decades since I was fed the political correctness by teachers in my riot-torn high school, things have only gotten worse. The demonstrations have disrupted daily life and threatened public safety in cities like Los Angeles. But imagine billboards advertising welfare benefits for Slovenians or Ukrainians in native languages. Imagine Slovenians taking to the streets at the threat of denial of welfare for those who are in the country illegally. The image is preposterous. It would be preposterous even to the educators and radical groups who support the protests on behalf of the Spanish-speaking illegal immigrants. They have spent the last three decades working to instill the idea of this particularly visible group as suffering special persecution. They have started with the most gullible—the young people, their students. And the masses have been emboldened to the point of taking to the streets and burning the flag of the country in which they live. Their claims to be part of the heritage of American immigration sound specious to this immigrant.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others. This is the message we are getting. It's time to reject that message. Especially when it refers to people who violated our laws to come here, and therefore should not be enjoying the privileges of American citizens.
I've said this all along too. When my immigrant mom was a waitress for 1.25/hr. No one was lobbying for an increase in her pay. No one gave her freebies. She had to work hard. No one made exceptions for her when she didn't speak good English, except once. When she took her citizenship test, a question was asked "who is the governor of PA?" At the time it was Thornburg. Her response? "Dick Thorntree!" The judge said it was close enough.
People who come to this country legally get the shaft. No one is translating for them, handing their kids free money for school, free lunches and medical care. No, you only get that if you sneak into the country and then whine about how you aren't treated the same as US citizens are. Boils me!
Hi,
I m trying to migrate to USA from Slovenia.
Its almost impossible. I d like to set up a
company - to many restrictions. Maybe the
law should be changed but to favour those who want to work, invest, etc. What do you think about that?
Best regards,
Jure
In 1907, during one of the great immigration waves, President Teddy Roosevelt said that the immigrant who comes here "in good faith ... shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin." However, he added, "We have room but for one flag, the American flag."
Words well worth recalling as we noticed what student protesters decided to hoist up their high school flagpole while ostensibly demonstrating against immigration reform. In Spanish this is called reconquista, the reconquering of Mexican land lost during the Mexican-American war (1846-48), and its appearance in Los Angeles this week adds a dark dimension to the entire immigration debate.
In contrast to Mexican immigrants, those who emigrated to America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries came mostly from countries -- Ireland, Poland, Italy, Bohemia, Germany and Greece -- that had little if any significant historical dealings with the United States. Nearly all had never had colonial possessions in America, nor had lost territory on the continent in war. Their citizens emigrated because they were inspired by hopes for a new and better life, not redress for past indignities. In time they became Americans.
Something entirely different motivates the Hispanic radicals. Their inspiration is anti-Americanism, which they cheerfully articulate in banners proclaiming "This is our continent, not yours!" They claim citizenship, or at least the benefits of citizenship, to be theirs by right, rather than something to be earned. And their ultimate fantasy is no different than the radical Muslim immigrants living in the slums outside Paris: To retake what they think was formerly their ancestors' land, if not in name then in numbers. Tragically, they are able to dupe idealistic students into advancing their cause by masking their true intentions behind the facade of ethnic pride or civil rights. Nothing is more un-American, especially for those requesting American citizenship.
We acknowledge that a majority of protesters gathering in Los Angeles and San Diego this week do not believe in the reconquista agenda. Their disagreement is with Congress, not America. But by accepting radicals into their ranks, by allowing students to desecrate the American flag, they have given tacit approval of the reconquista message. If the leaders of the Latino community wish to bring public opinion to their side, they must condemn these verbal and symbolic calls for reconquest.
Connecticut Senators on the Illegal Immigration Debate
UPDATE (12:21): I just e-mailed my senators. We'll see if they reply. Plus, you simply must see these photos on Michelle Malkin's site. I included the link in my messages to Lieberman and Dodd. Pass them on to everyone you know...they show what many illegals really think about America.
My senators from Connecticut are (not surprisingly) letting me down regarding illegal immigration. Here's what Joe Lieberman has to say:
Washington—Senator Lieberman issued the following statement in response to last night’s vote by the Senate Judiciary Committee to approve Immigration reform legislation:
"The resounding bipartisan vote by the Judiciary Committee in favor of comprehensive immigration reform is an important step forward. By bringing honest, hard-working immigrants out of the shadows, we can better focus our enforcement resources on looking for the few who pose real threats to the country. The bill would also reduce unacceptably long backlogs for legal immigrants waiting to be reunited with their spouses and children. And by channeling foreign workers into new work visa programs, we can reduce the often dangerous flow of illegal immigration and stimulate our economy. I applaud the work of Chairman Specter and the members of the Judiciary Committee, and I hope we can improve the bill further as it is considered by the full Senate."
For illegals who don't read or speak English, Joe has kindly included a Spanish version on his Website.
I usually give Lieberman a lot of credit for being pretty savvy. He falls short here. Does he not realize that large majorities in various polls show that most Americans want tougher legislation regarding illegal immigration and closing up our porous border? Is it more important to curry votes with those who can't vote than to ignore the wishes of voting citizens? And don't give me any civil liberties claptrap. You have to be a citizen to have the liberties guaranteed to Americans.
And now for uber-lib Chris Dodd's statement...er, he doesn't have one on his Website. I wonder why?
I'll be sure to contact my Senators to let them know what I think about illegal immigration and our borders. All of you should do the same!
When thousands show up at a protest against illegal immigration reform, you know we have a problem. Click the link above and you'll see some photos of the march. One shows a person holding a sign that says, "We are not criminals."
Well, yes, you are. By circumventing the immigration process and entering the country without permission, you are breaking the law the moment you step over the border. One of the definitions of the word criminal is "one who has committed or been legally convicted of a crime."
The idea that we ought to create a guest worker program is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. It's bad enough that thousands of people swarm over our borders daily uninvited. Who's to say that when we invite them to take part in this program that they won't overstay their welcome as many do when their visas expire? And will we be able to accomodate the millions more who will decide to come here once such a program is implemented? Don't even get me started on amnesty for those who are already here. It sends a message: Americans are a bunch of pushovers.
Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Here's a bit of history worth remembering.
During the end of what we call the great Roman Empire, the Romans were off fighting the Persians. Their volunteer military was still highly trained and highly effective. While the Romans concentrated their efforts in Persia, they allowed the Germanic tribes to come in to Rome. Not as citizens, mind you. Roman citizenship was not handed out like candy at Halloween. They were treated them like, well, illegal immigrants. Kind of pesky, not desirable, but what harm overall could they do?
There was a little battle called Adrianople. And it was the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire. Because the Romans didn't take the Germanic tribes seriously, that situation began the downturn of one of the greatest civilizations ever known.
Quite a parallel, hmm? No, I am not suggesting we shouldn't be in Iraq or fighting terrorists elsewhere. That is necessary and I believe our commitment shouldn't waver. But to treat our illegal immigrant problem lightly is a problem --one that won't go away unless we are firm in our resolve to not water down our immigration laws and to enforce them. They have broken our laws and should not be rewarded for doing so.
We need to let our government know that we won't stand for it.
Diplomats from Mexico and Central America on Monday demanded guest worker programs and the legalization of undocumented migrants (illegal immigrants -- ed.) in the United States, while criticizing a U.S. proposal for tougher border enforcement.
Meeting in Mexico's capital, the regional officials pledged to do more to fight migrant trafficking, but indirectly condemned a U.S. bill that would make illegal entry a felony and extend border walls.
"Migrants, regardless of their migratory status, should not be treated like criminals," they said.
News flash: Crossing the U.S. border without a visa or other legal permission means you are here illegally. If making it a felony will help stem the flow, along with extending our border walls, then we have every right to make it so. Our country, our laws.
Perhaps we should demand that Mexico and Central America do more for their own economies, as in creating more job opportunities for their citizens at home, so they don't feel compelled to flee the crushing poverty. Less grandstanding by politicians would also be welcome. It's sad when you realize that the only thing keeping these economies afloat is the American dollars coming in from those who come here to work illegally.
The other alternative would simply to take over Mexico and Central America and make them an official part of the United States. No more Presidents south of the Rio Grande, just governors, senators and some congressmen. Somehow, though, I doubt the governments of Mexico and Central America would like that idea.
So, guys, do something about your own problems and stop expecting us to support you through illegal immigration!
Neal Boortz has suggested that Mexico is rather harsh on its own illegal immigrants, mostly from countries to the south, e.g., El Salvador, etc..
It is all about the money that Mexicans in the U.S. are sending home = less government spending in Mexico.
Mexico needs to become aware that future weakening of the U.S. will not help them. Mexico needs to get over any resentments of 19th and early 20th century issues between the two nations. Using Mexican immigrants in the U.S. to dismantle parts of the Southwestern U.S. will not help Mexico's situation at all. Mexico has plenty of natural resources and human resources that it needs to be more successful.
I am not enough of a historian/anthropologist/philosopher to explain the complexity of why Mexico is the way it is. It is not racism, I would rather Mexico stand more on its own as a strong, self-confident, cooperative neighbor.
Mexico is quite hypocritical in this matter. They shoot illegals on their southern border. They fire and deport people who aren't Mexicans. I guess they've learned well from the race and welfare pimps in the American Democrat party.
DANBURY — A controversial anti-illegal immigrant group is planning a "Stop the Invasion" demonstration Saturday at Kennedy Park.
Latino day laborers gather each morning around Kennedy Park, between Kennedy Avenue and Elm Street, hoping to be hired by contractors.
Note the use of the word "controversial." What's controversial about wanting to stem the tide of illegal immigrants? The word illegal should imply that simply by being here, these people are violating our laws. No one would call a group like MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) controversial, would they? Drunk driving is against the law too.
If you read the whole article, you will see that some who support the cause don't think that this demonstration will do much more than create a wave of publicity, and that other approaches are more effective. Perhaps that is true, but publicity stunts can sometimes have value--if only to draw attention to a problem.
Maria-Cinta Lowe, executive director of the Hispanic Center of Greater Danbury, said members of Streitz' group are troublemakers who should be ignored.
"They are racist. They are bigots. They are ignorant. We do not need people like them in Danbury, and we do not need them in Connecticut," Lowe said.
Like how the race card is played? If the majority of illegals in Danbury were from another ethnic group, Lowe would not be complaining about racism. There is nothing racist about wanting to tighten our borders and enforce the laws that already exist. I also think it would be nice to be able to round up all illegals and deport them, but how realistic that is remains to be seen.
There is a movement to change the 14th amendment which grants automatic citizenship to any baby born here, regardless of the immigration (legal or illegal) status of its parents. That's a step in the right direction.
As of April of last year, illegals made up 19% of Danbury's population. Considering the drain on public services (i.e. school and healthcare), this is a major issue for Danbury and cities like it. Mayor Mark Boughton has gotten a lot of flak for his attempts to deal with the problem.
Some reading this will automatically say I am anti-immigrant. That is not true. I am against those who sneak in, find work, send that untaxed money back to their home country, and expect to have their children educated and their healthcare needs met. And what about those who have immigrated here legally, jumping through all of the hoops, only to see others taking what they have rightfully earned? It angers a friend of mine, who came here legally from India when she was 11 and became a citizen about 10 years later.
I am going to try to see if I can make it to the demonstration. It could be very interesting!
Be careful going to the demonstration. The illegals get violent when they don't get their way. Many years of seeing the same thing in Southern California speaking here.
The main problem is that Liberals don't see immigration laws as valid.
Obviously you're not from Danbury or Connecticut for that matter. What evidence do you have of any violence among migrant workers to back up such an outrageous claim?
There are many examples racism by The Connectitcut Citizens for Immmigration Control (CTCIC) as I've been documenting their actions since their first meeting.
Every heard of their McDonald's survey (which they called the MexDonalds survey. It was because of their racist and outrageous tactics that the Danbury chapter of the CTCIC broke apart from them (which is also well documented by the Danbury News-Times and was also explained in the article which you attributed your post to).
The leader of the local immigration reform group doesn't want any part of Saturday's demonstration.
Elise Marciano is a founding member of U.S. Citizens for Immigration Law Enforcement, a Danbury group that meets regularly. The group once was associated with Streitz' group, but changed its name to distance itself from Streitz.
Marciano said Streitz craves media attention more than implementing change.
The CTCIC are a bunch of fools who are only loking for publicity, not a solution to the problems regarding illegal immigration. Anybody from Danbury (a.k.a. me) knows that there will be no one on the streets looking for work on a Saturday.
On one is stating that illegal immigration isn't a problem but the REAL problem are people who use this to forward their own agenda and the fools who believe the hype.
posted by at January 5, 2006 05:56 PM
Well, Mr. Or Ms. anonymous poster, you ARE wrong.
First, I have lived in Connecticut. In fact, I also have an Honorary Citizenship bestowed upon me by then Mayor Esposito of Norwalk, CT.
Second, after that, I lived in Orange County, CA, and seen Illegal Immigration problems and politics close up and personal.
I've seen the MeCHa people, the Aztlan people, the Voz de la Frontiera (Voice of the Border) people. The do get violent when you stand up to them.
It is people like you who tell people who are concerned about the sovreignity of the US that these illegals have the RIGHT to cross our borders at will and ignore our laws.
Pls see my letters column at: http://www.velocitypress.com/pages/letters.php
and then consider adding it to your list of All American Blog role (and or, Fellow New Englanders (Boston).
Mark Boughton, mayor of Danbury, Connecticut, is forming a coalition of mayors from throughout the country that will lobby federal lawmakers to overhaul and reform immigration laws.
It's a good idea. Of course, during yesterday's press conference, some idjit reporter had to ask:
"Mayor Boughton, are you anti-immigrant?"
Boughton paused for a moment, smiled – and then said no.
Why is it that wanting immigration reform--in order to keep illegal immigrants from entering the country--automatically makes one anti-immigrant? We have laws, and these people are flat out ignoring them.
This other piece from the article was hurl-worthy as well:
However, [Stamford Mayor Dan] Malloy said the economy would go into the tank if every undocumented worker left the U.S. Immigrant laborers fill many landscaping and construction jobs American workers don't want.
Wages for these very jobs are kept lowbecause of the influx of illegals. Those who employ them know they are willing to work for very little and therefore the employers rake in more cash for themselves. (I'm a capitalist, but I'm not for making profit by exploiting illegals and cheating American citizens in the process.) By not employing illegals, wages for construction and landscaping jobs would reach more realistic levels, making those positions more attractive to Americans. Americans--most of them, anyway--want to work, but want to be paid fairly. (BTW, I am not a union supporter.)
In the meantime, illegals pay no taxes yet receive taxpayer-funded frills such as education and hospital treatment for illness.
This doesn't even take into consideration the security issues surrounding illegals' ability to just waltz over our southern borders.
I'll be keeping an eye on this coaltion. It'll be interesting to see if it actually gets anywhere.
Very interesting. Wasn't Boughton the mayor who was absolutely vilified for cracking down on the volleyball games that became illegal immigrant gathering places?
The smears he had to endure were disgusting and dishonest.
This story from East Hartford, Connecticut, is another example of why we need to crack down on illegal immigrants:
Police are investigating whether the bloody melee that erupted at a 1-year-old's birthday party over the weekend was fueled by a violent rivalry between two Central America gangs that has claimed dozens of lives.
As seven of those arrested posted bail, police released new details Monday of the brawl involving 50 adults at the Crosby Street multi-family house.
Witnesses told police that individuals involved in the chaos that spilled out into the street early Sunday were members of MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) and its rival, MS-18. One of the nation's most dangerous gangs, MS-13 has its origins in El Salvador. The gang took root in Southern California in the 1980s and has since spread throughout the country.
Some background on MS-13:
Last week, three suspected MS-13 gang members were arrested in Vienna, Va., after police tracked their activity between Los Angeles, Massachusetts and Virginia for five months. One of the men is wanted for an MS-13-related slaying in Massachusetts. All three are illegal aliens from El Salvador.
Earlier this year, Michelle Malkin wrote an article about the increasing violence from MS-13 in the Washington, D.C. suburbs:
At the local malls in Montgomery County, Md., where I live, gang stabbings are increasingly common. Earlier this summer, a spate of knifing attacks involving reputed MS-13 gangsters took place at a nearby Target store. Yes, Target -- where the only fights that shoppers should have to worry about are the tug-of-war spats between soccer moms battling over Sonia Kashuk makeup bags on sale in Aisle 2.
Where are our politicians? Are they blind to what's going on, or are they hoping that if they ignore it, it will go away? We have enough problems with homegrown gang violence. There's no need to import more.
Our borders are out of control, and average citizens are paying the price.
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